Re: FN-FORUM Scroll Bars / flash HOORAY!

date posted 23rd January 2001 23:04

'retail is about providing a customer want' - duh! the customer wants
CONTENT, anybody who thinks otherwise had best book a ticket for dodge city
with the rest of the cowboys. if i want to buy something i want to know
what it is, what it does, how much it costs, y'know CONTENT. anybody
shallow enough to buy on image alone richly deserves all the substandard
crap they'll end up getting.

as for the materialsm angle, well yes people want a nice car but thats not
the first principle. does the car move? is it expensive to run? how much
will the insurance be? can i place the shopping in?

how many high volume sites popular successful sites are flash based? try
'none' - go one say it like a mantra!

as far as i can see flash is championed by people who have a sneaking
suspicion that their easy days are over and they're going to have to start
justifying what they do - as i mentioned earlier companies can no longer
afford to fanny about for months while you make nice images move about, the
dotcom bubble has burst and companies have to justify why their sites cost
this much to do that much. tell you what flash bods, i'll throw down the
gauntlet - build a successful flash based, database-driven, rapid loading
ecommerce solution - preferably no useful content since it offends your
sensibilities - able to hold up to 50000 items and capable of dealing with
several thousand hits per day and i'll debase myself before your
overwhelming greatness. i wonder if ozymandius.com has gone?

perhaps it you who needs a few pointers on the topic peter?

btw, i actually love flash and flash sites and ive been using it since v2
and im probably one of the most technically adept at flash in the forum - up
to v4 anyway - and im keenly aware of its limitations.

tired, greasy haired and feeling generally irate at the world in large, dave
ecky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter McCormack" [EMAIL REMOVED]
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Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: FN-FORUM Scroll Bars / flash HOORAY!


> I have never heard such a bunch of Granddad arguments, I mean come on,
Flash
> has much more depth to it than 'pretty pictures', and you
>
> >> I think this says it all... who do you work for? Walt Disney
> Well that's a ignorant comment if I have ever heard one, what the hell do
> you know about design, honestly what do you know? Anything, brand values?
do
> you know what they are. The amount of sites that people ask to have
comments
> made on on this forum which look crap is astonishing, I have to old back
as
> to not offend anyone, but most look terrible, don't get me wrong they work
> fine.
>
> Design is all about selling the product through the use of emotion, you
use
> peoples emotions, I can't believe the amount of people who are trying to
> argue content over design, they go hand in hand. It was a breath of fresh
> air when Bob Gentle showed his site today, it was actually one that was
> pleasnig to look at, the main problem is that many people are working on
> fine price lines and do not subcontarct any work. If you are a shit
designer
> don't argue content over design just to save yourself the hiring of
someone
> else, admit your crap and employ a designer because design is so
important.
>
> People don't buy the new Audi TT because it has a good engine, they buy it
> because it looks good, people don't wear designer gear because it will
last
> longer, they buy it because it looks nice, face it we live in a world
> dominated by materialism, (unless most of you drive a Sierra and shop in
> Debenhams). You are not going to sell a product on the net just by having
> the information they require, you have to reach to their emotional needs.
> This is done through colour, images and with Flash motion, not a nice HTML
> page which downloads in a second and is full of information.
>
> As a designer, I know for a fact that Flash is the best product on the web
> for reaching peoples emotional needs, it is not require on sites like
Amazon
> and Yahoo because they have a simple function, but anyone who is selling a
> desirable product cannot just overlook Flash.
>
> Not one person hear has spoke like they truly understand Flash, when Flash
> became commercial, many jobs were rushed without thinking about what was
> trying to be achieved. Flash is an extremely diverse product which can
> operate in many different forms and perform many different functions, any
> debate on the subject is only worth having with people who do know what
they
> are talking about.
>
> Again, back to your point about who do I work for, who do you work for???
> What clients do you work for??? Mateys Dentist and your Neighbours pub,
> nice.
>
> Your ignorance about design and especially about a product which you are
> trying to build valid arguments on surprises me.
>
> What also surprises me is your ignorance to retail when in fact you are
> generally building retail environments, retail is about providing a
consumer
> want, content is not king.
>
> Please learn your topic before arguing it
>
> Peter McCormack
>
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