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RE: For Gary FN-FORUM To Flash or Not To Flash ??? (<< flash plugin detector)
date posted 15th November 2001 21:45
>Flash X addresses this issue so all pages and content will be indexed by
search engines so this arguement will also be invalid soon
Can you point me to the article, Peter
Cheers
Mike
Oh, and using the noframes tag is trick used long ago.... not a great idea
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From: [EMAIL REMOVED]
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Sent: 17 August 2001 00:20
To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
Subject: Re: For Gary FN-FORUM To Flash or Not To Flash ??? ( disappearing web site, it won't be found and is therefore no good for
> ecommerce, where you are dependent on attracting customers through search
> engines.
>
> Until flash can be indexed by the SEs - I will recommend its use for
entire
> sites to no one. - Good design can incorporate some flash panels in with
the
> HTML and I can work around that and still get good SE rankings.
>
> Ian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL REMOVED]
> [EMAIL REMOVED] Behalf Of Peter McCormack
> Sent: 16 August 2001 23:05
> To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
> Subject: Re: For Gary FN-FORUM To Flash or Not To Flash ??? ( plugin detector)
>
>
> I think it is worth thinking about the software and not the output, Flash
is
> a brilliant piece of kit the problem is that most users don't know how to
> use it and clients don't know what they should get from it. The majority
of
> Flash is crap because people have not really used it the way they should.
> Big stupid long intro's are a waste and these kind of things result in
> people having a bad view of the product.
>
> I myself am a great lover of Flash and have been forced many times to do
> things that I really don't want to do, but I expect many of you HTML
lovers
> have suffered the same, but I have also learnt that Flash is not the best
> thing on the web but I have also learnt that HTML isn't. As you get bad
> Flash sites you also get bad HTML ones and I think those who prefer either
> are always going to be bias towards it.
>
> Those who slate Flash really usually do so without any understanding of
the
> software and the power behind it, should really be slating the idiots
> producing the crap it sends out.
>
> Flash has many great benefits, and if used rightly actually deliver
content
> much quicker than HTML based sites as it can draw up content without a
page
> refresh. You can actually produce Flash based sites which deliver content
> faster than HTML.
>
> As Flash works as a plugin it also does not suffer from browser related
> issues, which I expect you HTML coders get really pissed off with.
>
> It does have its draw backs many of which are being addressed with Flash X
> such as disability related issues and the back button with your browser,
the
> only real problem with the software is the fact that every time a new
> version comes out people require the plugin.
>
> Also with the advent of many different platforms to view the web on I
> personally think FLash is perfect because it is so scaleable.
>
> Flash is usually crap because it is used mainly by designers who really
> don't have a good understanding of the web, I reckon if some of you really
> clever programmers started using Flash you would realise its power and
start
> producing some amazing stuff, and if you worked alongside good designers
the
> results would be brilliant.
>
> The main issue I think at works is that coders seem to forget the
importance
> of aesthetics and how fickle people are. Whether you produce a site in
HTML
> or Flash it should be designed well and people tend to ignore this.
> Programmers think design is not important and think functionality
> functionality functionality, and designers think the opposite. Design is
> important in all aspects of life and the web is no different and people
will
> hopefully realise that you can add great design without reducing the
> functionality of a site.
>
> Anyway good luck to you all and remember Flash aint crap its the people
who
> make the sites.
>
> Peter McCormack
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 5:28 PM
> Subject: Re: For Gary FN-FORUM To Flash or Not To Flash ??? ( detector)
>
>
> > not meant as a criticism - just that many of your initial judgement of
> flash
> > (namely download times) was not really fair.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Gary Crighton [EMAIL REMOVED]
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> > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 4:21 PM
> > Subject: Re: For Gary FN-FORUM To Flash or Not To Flash ??? ( plugin
> > detector)
> >
> >
> > > Fair point indeed - but I built that site in 1997!!!!!!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > At 15:13 15/11/01 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >further to the flash debate - i had a alook at demanding the
impossible
> > web
> > > >site you have done - this is precisely what i was talking about - you
> > could
> > > >have done the few graphics i saw (text quotes etc...) in flash and
the
> > file
> > > >sizes would probably be a tenth of the download times that you have
> > attained
> > > >using gifs. the ultimate result would have been rescalable movies
> > containing
> > > >smooth aliased text. Flash does not have to be a huge sequence of
> > animated
> > > >files but can be used to produce large aliased vector graphics at a
> > fraction
> > > >of the download times.
> > > >
> > > >Fair point (?)
> > >
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