RE: FN-FORUM [OT] M$ XP...

date posted 10th January 2002 17:09

Well, I can see what you are saying but the usage versus System
compromisation speaks for itself.

IIS is used by approx 30 % of all webservers globally, where as Apache
accounts for about 50%.

95% off all attacks are on IIS/Windows boxes.

The thing with open source is that there is a lot more peer group checking
and looking out for the whole by the good guys who can then do something
about it. However with a closed system you are playing catchup and are
reliant on the proprietry employers closing all the holes as well as
foressing what the bad guys are doing.

Also for me, it is easier to understand something that you can *see inside*
rather than only seeing what you are allowed to see.

Alan



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-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: FN-FORUM [OT] M$ XP...


I just feel that the whole MS security holes thing is just an attack on the
biggest target - it's no fun attacking open source because you can't see
anyone squirm. Attackers' egos want to see a result from their attack and
the big companies are the ones that will get media coverage if they're
attacked.


----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:54 PM
Subject: RE: FN-FORUM [OT] M$ XP...


> Oh yeah sure they did!
>
> But there are a lot less...and they are less scary - they are installed by
> default. Too many back doors/ports left open
>
> The end of the day attacks on Windows webserver are more prevalent.
>
> Alan
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL REMOVED]
> [EMAIL REMOVED] Behalf Of David McEwen
> Sent: 10 January 2002 10:46
> To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
> Subject: Re: FN-FORUM [OT] M$ XP...
>
>
> Did they not tell you about the holes in Linux/Apache?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Newman" [EMAIL REMOVED]
> To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 8:44 AM
> Subject: RE: FN-FORUM [OT] M$ XP...
>
>
> > Many a true word spoken in jest!
> >
> > Went to a free lancer seminar last night on internet security.
> >
> > It is frightening how many security holes there are in NT/XP/2000 and
IIS!
> >
> > *strokes Linux/Apache setup*
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > [EMAIL REMOVED] Behalf Of Ema
> > Sent: 09 January 2002 16:30
> > To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > Subject: FN-FORUM [OT] M$ XP...
> >
> >
> > > > YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO INSTALL WINDOWS XP, ARE YOU SURE
> > > > YOU WANT TO CONTINUE?
> > > >
> > > > Yes.
> > > >
> > > > ARE YOU REALLY SURE?
> > > >
> > > > Yes.
> > > >
> > > > ARE YOU REALLY REALLY SURE?
> > > >
> > > > *****yes!******
> > > >
> > > > OK, THEN. JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE REQUIRED TO ASK YOU
> > > > THAT NOW. IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT FOR BEING A PICKY
> > > > CONSUMER AND SUPPORTING THAT WHOLE "ANTI-TRUST"
> > > > NONSENSE. INGRATE.
> > > >
> > > > Just get on with it.
> > > >
> > > > ATTEMPTING TO INSTALL WINDOWS XP. FIRST WE NEED TO
> > > > CHECK YOUR SYSTEM FOR COMPATIBILITY. THIS COULD TAKE
> > > > SEVERAL DAYS.
> > > >
> > > > Groan.
> > > >
> > > > THE INSTALL PROGRAM HAS DETECTED SEVERAL POSSIBLE
> > > > PROBLEMS AND WILL NOT LET YOU INSTALL XP.
> > > >
> > > > Problems? What problems?
> > > >
> > > > THE VIDEO CARD YOU ARE USING APPARENTLY DOES NOT WORK
> > > > WITH THE MOTHERBOARD.
> > > >
> > > > But I'm using it at this very moment.
> > > >
> > > > THAT IS IRRELEVANT.
> > > >
> > > > But if the video card isn't working with the mother
> > > > board then I can't very well see this warning message
> > > > telling me that the video card wasn't...
> > > >
> > > > DO NOT ATTEMPT TO FOOL ME WITH LOGIC, I AM A MICROSOFT
> > > > PRODUCT. LOGIC DOES NOT WORK ON ME. I HAVE ALSO FOUND
> > > > THE FOLLOWING MINOR ERRORS: WINDOWS XP IS INCOMPATIBLE
> > > > WITH THE FOLLOWING HARDWARE - MONITOR, KEYBOARD,
> > > > MEMORY CHIPS, MOTHERBOARD BIOS, WEB CAM, SCANNER,
> > > > SOUND CARD, USB CONTROLLER, CD/R DRIVE, MICROPHONE,
> > > > AND FLIGHT STICK.
> > > >
> > > > All that?
> > > >
> > > > YES. AND THE HARD DRIVE IS RIGHT OUT TOO. WE DON'T
> > > > LIKE THE MANUFACTURER.
> > > >
> > > > Well what *DOES* work?
> > > >
> > > > THE MOUSE.
> > > >
> > > > The mouse?
> > > >
> > > > YES. AND THE 5 1/4 DRIVE.
> > > >
> > > > I don't have a 5 1/4 drive.
> > > >
> > > > YES YOU DO.
> > > >
> > > > No I don't.
> > > >
> > > > WHAT'S THAT THEN?
> > > >
> > > > It's a 3 1/2 drive.
> > > >
> > > > NO IT ISN'T.
> > > >
> > > > Yes it is.
> > > >
> > > > YOU'RE NOT THAT SMART YOU KNOW.
> > > >
> > > > Look, can you just install XP on my system and I'll
> > > > download the latest drivers for everything later?
> > > > Please?
> > > >
> > > > WAIT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN *YOUR* SYSTEM?
> > > >
> > > > Well it is mine.
> > > >
> > > > NO IT ISN'T.
> > > >
> > > > It bloody well is.
> > > >
> > > > NUH-UH. YOU SIGNED THE AGREEMENT WHEN YOU OPENED THE
> > > > BOX. OUR SYSTEM. IT'S OURS. AND YOU CAN ONLY DO 4
> > > > CHANGES BEFORE YOU HAVE TO PAY US MORE MONEY.
> > > >
> > > > But why?
> > > >
> > > > BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THE LICENSE WORKS, IDIOT. WE CAN'T
> > > > VERY WELL HAVE PEOPLE PUTTING HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE ON
> > > > THEIR SYSTEMS ALL HIGGLEDY PIGGLEDY, NOW COULD WE? YOU
> > > > USERS WOULD MUCK EVERYTHING UP, AND THEN WHERE WOULD
> > > > WE BE? I'LL TELL YOU WHERE, NOWHERE. THAT'S WHERE.
> > > > I... HEY, WHAT IS THAT? WHAT ARE YOU DOING? IS THAT A
> > > > DISK? WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THAT DISK? YOU'RE NOT
> > > > PUTTING IT IN THE DRIVE ARE YOU? YOU ARE! WHAT'S ON
> > > > THAT DISK? IS THAT DOS? YOU'RE INSTALLING DOS?? WHY
> > > > WOULD YOU INSTALL DOS WHEN I AM INFINITELY MORE
> > > > POWE..........
> > > >
> >
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