Re: FN-FORUM [OT] M$ XP...

date posted 10th January 2002 17:21

However, ten years ago, all the attacks were against Unix boxes--what'd you
mean there weren't any Windows web servers?

Kathy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Newman" [EMAIL REMOVED]
To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:11 PM
Subject: RE: FN-FORUM [OT] M$ XP...


> Well, I can see what you are saying but the usage versus System
> compromisation speaks for itself.
>
> IIS is used by approx 30 % of all webservers globally, where as Apache
> accounts for about 50%.
>
> 95% off all attacks are on IIS/Windows boxes.
>
> The thing with open source is that there is a lot more peer group checking
> and looking out for the whole by the good guys who can then do something
> about it. However with a closed system you are playing catchup and are
> reliant on the proprietry employers closing all the holes as well as
> foressing what the bad guys are doing.
>
> Also for me, it is easier to understand something that you can *see
inside*
> rather than only seeing what you are allowed to see.
>
> Alan
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL REMOVED]
> [EMAIL REMOVED] Behalf Of David McEwen
> Sent: 10 January 2002 14:45
> To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
> Subject: Re: FN-FORUM [OT] M$ XP...
>
>
> I just feel that the whole MS security holes thing is just an attack on
the
> biggest target - it's no fun attacking open source because you can't see
> anyone squirm. Attackers' egos want to see a result from their attack and
> the big companies are the ones that will get media coverage if they're
> attacked.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Newman" [EMAIL REMOVED]
> To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:54 PM
> Subject: RE: FN-FORUM [OT] M$ XP...
>
>
> > Oh yeah sure they did!
> >
> > But there are a lot less...and they are less scary - they are installed
by
> > default. Too many back doors/ports left open
> >
> > The end of the day attacks on Windows webserver are more prevalent.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > [EMAIL REMOVED] Behalf Of David McEwen
> > Sent: 10 January 2002 10:46
> > To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > Subject: Re: FN-FORUM [OT] M$ XP...
> >
> >
> > Did they not tell you about the holes in Linux/Apache?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alan Newman" [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 8:44 AM
> > Subject: RE: FN-FORUM [OT] M$ XP...
> >
> >
> > > Many a true word spoken in jest!
> > >
> > > Went to a free lancer seminar last night on internet security.
> > >
> > > It is frightening how many security holes there are in NT/XP/2000 and
> IIS!
> > >
> > > *strokes Linux/Apache setup*
> > >
> > > Alan
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > > [EMAIL REMOVED] Behalf Of Ema
> > > Sent: 09 January 2002 16:30
> > > To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > > Subject: FN-FORUM [OT] M$ XP...
> > >
> > >
> > > > > YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO INSTALL WINDOWS XP, ARE YOU SURE
> > > > > YOU WANT TO CONTINUE?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes.
> > > > >
> > > > > ARE YOU REALLY SURE?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes.
> > > > >
> > > > > ARE YOU REALLY REALLY SURE?
> > > > >
> > > > > *****yes!******
> > > > >
> > > > > OK, THEN. JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE REQUIRED TO ASK YOU
> > > > > THAT NOW. IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT FOR BEING A PICKY
> > > > > CONSUMER AND SUPPORTING THAT WHOLE "ANTI-TRUST"
> > > > > NONSENSE. INGRATE.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just get on with it.
> > > > >
> > > > > ATTEMPTING TO INSTALL WINDOWS XP. FIRST WE NEED TO
> > > > > CHECK YOUR SYSTEM FOR COMPATIBILITY. THIS COULD TAKE
> > > > > SEVERAL DAYS.
> > > > >
> > > > > Groan.
> > > > >
> > > > > THE INSTALL PROGRAM HAS DETECTED SEVERAL POSSIBLE
> > > > > PROBLEMS AND WILL NOT LET YOU INSTALL XP.
> > > > >
> > > > > Problems? What problems?
> > > > >
> > > > > THE VIDEO CARD YOU ARE USING APPARENTLY DOES NOT WORK
> > > > > WITH THE MOTHERBOARD.
> > > > >
> > > > > But I'm using it at this very moment.
> > > > >
> > > > > THAT IS IRRELEVANT.
> > > > >
> > > > > But if the video card isn't working with the mother
> > > > > board then I can't very well see this warning message
> > > > > telling me that the video card wasn't...
> > > > >
> > > > > DO NOT ATTEMPT TO FOOL ME WITH LOGIC, I AM A MICROSOFT
> > > > > PRODUCT. LOGIC DOES NOT WORK ON ME. I HAVE ALSO FOUND
> > > > > THE FOLLOWING MINOR ERRORS: WINDOWS XP IS INCOMPATIBLE
> > > > > WITH THE FOLLOWING HARDWARE - MONITOR, KEYBOARD,
> > > > > MEMORY CHIPS, MOTHERBOARD BIOS, WEB CAM, SCANNER,
> > > > > SOUND CARD, USB CONTROLLER, CD/R DRIVE, MICROPHONE,
> > > > > AND FLIGHT STICK.
> > > > >
> > > > > All that?
> > > > >
> > > > > YES. AND THE HARD DRIVE IS RIGHT OUT TOO. WE DON'T
> > > > > LIKE THE MANUFACTURER.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well what *DOES* work?
> > > > >
> > > > > THE MOUSE.
> > > > >
> > > > > The mouse?
> > > > >
> > > > > YES. AND THE 5 1/4 DRIVE.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't have a 5 1/4 drive.
> > > > >
> > > > > YES YOU DO.
> > > > >
> > > > > No I don't.
> > > > >
> > > > > WHAT'S THAT THEN?
> > > > >
> > > > > It's a 3 1/2 drive.
> > > > >
> > > > > NO IT ISN'T.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes it is.
> > > > >
> > > > > YOU'RE NOT THAT SMART YOU KNOW.
> > > > >
> > > > > Look, can you just install XP on my system and I'll
> > > > > download the latest drivers for everything later?
> > > > > Please?
> > > > >
> > > > > WAIT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN *YOUR* SYSTEM?
> > > > >
> > > > > Well it is mine.
> > > > >
> > > > > NO IT ISN'T.
> > > > >
> > > > > It bloody well is.
> > > > >
> > > > > NUH-UH. YOU SIGNED THE AGREEMENT WHEN YOU OPENED THE
> > > > > BOX. OUR SYSTEM. IT'S OURS. AND YOU CAN ONLY DO 4
> > > > > CHANGES BEFORE YOU HAVE TO PAY US MORE MONEY.
> > > > >
> > > > > But why?
> > > > >
> > > > > BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THE LICENSE WORKS, IDIOT. WE CAN'T
> > > > > VERY WELL HAVE PEOPLE PUTTING HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE ON
> > > > > THEIR SYSTEMS ALL HIGGLEDY PIGGLEDY, NOW COULD WE? YOU
> > > > > USERS WOULD MUCK EVERYTHING UP, AND THEN WHERE WOULD
> > > > > WE BE? I'LL TELL YOU WHERE, NOWHERE. THAT'S WHERE.
> > > > > I... HEY, WHAT IS THAT? WHAT ARE YOU DOING? IS THAT A
> > > > > DISK? WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THAT DISK? YOU'RE NOT
> > > > > PUTTING IT IN THE DRIVE ARE YOU? YOU ARE! WHAT'S ON
> > > > > THAT DISK? IS THAT DOS? YOU'RE INSTALLING DOS?? WHY
> > > > > WOULD YOU INSTALL DOS WHEN I AM INFINITELY MORE
> > > > > POWE..........
> > > > >
> > >
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