Re: Re[2]: FN-FORUM Mac info request

date posted 15th September 2002 19:45

All hardware was allegedly windows compatible and I would expect Intel
Solaris to run on the same hardware as Win9x in the cases I had.

The point I was trying to make is that I had hardware (windows compatible)
that was unstable with windows but stable with a number of other OS types.
This has been with a wide selection of hardware and manufacturers. The fact
of the matter is that windows is not a well written or stable operating
system. I have studied system programming and have written OS emulators and
Operating Systems for embedded applications.

It is possible that in a corporate rollout of several hundred machines, the
hardware is identical and will act identically. In these environments the
users are frequently poorly computer literate and will often put down
computer failure to their own stupidity. Far be it from me to assume that
lusers are skilled and perfect computer operators, but I've seen many cases
where it is really the OS screwing up and a reinstall or 'software upgrade'
fixes the problem (for a short while, anyway)

mark

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Subject: Re: Re[2]: FN-FORUM Mac info request


> Weird! But maybe not. Being able to run one OS doesn't mean the hardware
is
> suitable for running another. I certainly wouldn't expect Solaris to run
on
> the same hardware as Win9x! I remember FreeBSD hated one of my video
cards.
> Is all your hardware on the HCL and using the latest drivers?
>
> I've done hundreds (maybe thousands) of Windows installs (I do corporate
> rollouts) and not seen that that. Maybe Bill doesn't like you.
>
> Most problem are hardware or driver related. Remember hardware can be fine
> with one OS and no good with another, and a vendor may write good drivers
> for one OS and rubbish for another.
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Kathy
> http://www.vendetta.co.uk
> DNRC Minister for Useful but Irritating Information and Trivia
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Peter Mansell" [EMAIL REMOVED]
> To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 5:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Re[2]: FN-FORUM Mac info request
>
>
> > Well, I'd have to be very unlucky indeed if every machine I had run
> windows
> > on had bad hardware, especially since this same hardware runs Linux or
> > Solaris flawlessly :)
> >
> > Illogical though it sounds, I almost have the impression that each
windows
> > install randomly screws up different things!!! Serioulsy, though,
windows
> is
> > unreliable and unstable. I rarely manage to survive more that 6 months
> > before having to reinstall a development box and have never had a server
> up
> > for more than a fortnight before its memory leaks or lost sockets force
me
> > to have to reboot. Compare this to most Unix of MacOS beasties that can
> stay
> > stable and active for months or years at a time, even as development
> boxes.
> >
> > My experience as a network programmer and architect is that Windows
> doesn't
> > need any other products installed to screw up the TCP/IP stack.
> >
> > Also, as a security specialist and systems administrator, I don't like
> M$'s
> > approach to patches. For a start, patches often follow breaches in far
too
> > untimely a fashion, and their attitude of trying to make people who
> > advertise breaches (rather than the company who creates them) out to be
> the
> > irresponsible ones stinks! Anyone in that field can tell you that by the
> > time we find a breach, the Crackers will usually already be there, or
will
> > have exploited them before M$ release a patch. At least if I, as an
admin,
> > was aware of the risk, I could assess how it would affect my part of the
> net
> > and take appropriate action before the cost to myself or my clients is
too
> > great.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lists" [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 4:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: Re[2]: FN-FORUM Mac info request
> >
> >
> > > Perhaps your hardware is faulty. Seriously! I have several machines
> > running
> > > Office and I haven't had a crash for several years. My NT servers have
> > never
> > > crashed since being installed in er, well, before sp3. Sure you
haven't
> > got
> > > one of those nasty spyware thingies (or Kazaa--which is one!) that
screw
> > up
> > > your TCP/IP stack running? Most crashes I've seen recently are caused
by
> > > those (or people who insist on running Word with loony settings).
> > >
> > > I totally agree about FrontPage, it's almost as bad as Netscape 4
> (though
> > > not quite), and on a par with RoboHelp--but then only sissies use
> wysiwyg
> > > tools (ducks).
> > >
> > > Microsoft products are no worse than many and a lot better than most.
> > Well,
> > > all spreadsheets are basically the same...(except for the unusable
> ones).
> > >
> > > At least MS provides patches, unlike Oracle for example. Anyone
remember
> > > patching Netware, shudder. To cut down time spent patching, experiment
> > with
> > > QChain, (although you shouldn't need it for most Win2k stuff now) and
> make
> > > sure you use hfnetchk to see what you actually need.
> > >
> > > Not a designer, remember
> > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > Kathy
> > > http://www.vendetta.co.uk
> > > DNRC Minister for Useful but Irritating Information and Trivia
> > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Richard Watt" [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > > To: [EMAIL REMOVED] [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 3:50 PM
> > > Subject: Re[2]: FN-FORUM Mac info request
> > >
> > >
> > > > Well, most versions of the MS Office products have crashed my
machines
> > > > at least once a week, can be incredibly slow even on a machine with
> > > > 512mb memory and a Ghz processor. From a website design point of
view
> > > > IE has been responsble for many, many evils against HTML standards,
as
> > > > have earlier versions of Frontpage. I recently spent 7 hours
patching
> > > > all my various browsers & operating systems, and am required to do
> > > > this about once a month otherwise my MS based operating systems
could
> > > > be compromised, even with the latest patches my NT Server box
displays
> > > > odd behavior, my old Win 98 machine crashes twice a day, and my
> > > > W2k laptop only shuts down cleanly 1/3rd of the time (from a clean
> > > > install).
> > > >
> > > > Please don't tell me they make good products; they have fantastic
> > > > marketing strategy, and have tied a good proportion of the world
into
> > > > their products and proprietary file formats, that is all.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -- Richard
> > > > http://www.rwatt.co.uk
> > > >
> > > > Sunday, September 15, 2002, 3:14:14 PM, you wrote:
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