Re: Re[6]: FN-FORUM Mac info request

date posted 15th September 2002 21:03

The Good Ole days :)

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Subject: Re: Re[6]: FN-FORUM Mac info request


> Netware 286 took an entire working day to format a disk. This was in the
> days when 20Mb (not gig) was a big disk.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Kathy
> http://www.vendetta.co.uk
> DNRC Minister for Useful but Irritating Information and Trivia
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Watt" [EMAIL REMOVED]
> To: "Lists" [EMAIL REMOVED]
> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re[6]: FN-FORUM Mac info request
>
>
> > Just sometimes, when it's the nearest machine. It doesn't matter one
> > way or the other as it's a development server, and not used by the
> > public.
> >
> > As for that version of netware, thankfully no, a touch before my time
> > - I think I was first exposed to netware 3.11 or thereabouts, but that
> > was bad enough ;) I havent used netware since the first release of v5
> > about a year and a bit ago - the first versions of NW5 were evil too -
> > easy enough to install, but requiring an absolute beast of a machine
> > to run the GUI on.
> >
> > -- Richard
> > http://www.rwatt.co.uk
> >
> > Sunday, September 15, 2002, 6:29:25 PM, you wrote:
> > ---------------------------------------
> > L> You browse from a server????!!! A server isn't made to be used for
> > L> foreground tasks. I'm not surprised it sulks!
> >
> > L> These particular servers weren't installed until just before Sp3 came
> out. I
> > L> can't remember if they had ever crashed before sp3. It's so long ago.
> One of
> > L> them was NT3.51 before that and it didn't crash then either.
> >
> > L> Servers are on 24x7 for the last however many years it has been
(apart
> from
> > L> when the UPS battery died). Workstations are also on almost
> permanently.
> > L> Sometimes I power off, but not often.
> >
> > L> Do you remember installing (or formatting for Netware 286?) Now that
> was
> > L> evil!
> >
> > L> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > L> Kathy
> > L> http://www.vendetta.co.uk
> > L> DNRC Minister for Useful but Irritating Information and Trivia
> > L> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > L> ----- Original Message -----
> > L> From: "Richard Watt" [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > L> To: "Lists" [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > L> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 5:30 PM
> > L> Subject: Re[4]: FN-FORUM Mac info request
> >
> >
> > >> Well, I didnt say that my NT machine crashed, just that it behaved
> > >> oddly (strange pauses and periods with 100% CPU usage when browsing
> > >> for instance) however, as it's a server that doesn't matter too much.
> > >> And the only time it has ever required a reboot is when I apply
> > >> patches. Yes, NT is pretty good, but only when patched past SP3 as
you
> > >> mention, which means it took a year(?) or two for MS to fix the major
> > >> problems after release.
> > >>
> > >> As for my Win98 machine, its probably just because it gets continual
> > >> use 9-14 hours a day and hasn't had a format for 5 years.
> > >>
> > >> And yes, I do remember patching Netware (3,4 & 5) all in the same
> > >> office, please don't ever bring up that subject again ;)
> > >>
> > >> -- Richard
> > >> http://www.rwatt.co.uk
> > >>
> > >> Sunday, September 15, 2002, 4:41:39 PM, you wrote:
> > >> ---------------------------------------
> > >> L> Perhaps your hardware is faulty. Seriously! I have several
machines
> > L> running
> > >> L> Office and I haven't had a crash for several years. My NT servers
> have
> > L> never
> > >> L> crashed since being installed in er, well, before sp3. Sure you
> haven't
> > L> got
> > >> L> one of those nasty spyware thingies (or Kazaa--which is one!) that
> > L> screw up
> > >> L> your TCP/IP stack running? Most crashes I've seen recently are
> caused
> > L> by
> > >> L> those (or people who insist on running Word with loony settings).
> > >>
> > >> L> I totally agree about FrontPage, it's almost as bad as Netscape 4
> > L> (though
> > >> L> not quite), and on a par with RoboHelp--but then only sissies use
> > L> wysiwyg
> > >> L> tools (ducks).
> > >>
> > >> L> Microsoft products are no worse than many and a lot better than
> most.
> > L> Well,
> > >> L> all spreadsheets are basically the same...(except for the unusable
> > L> ones).
> > >>
> > >> L> At least MS provides patches, unlike Oracle for example. Anyone
> > L> remember
> > >> L> patching Netware, shudder. To cut down time spent patching,
> experiment
> > L> with
> > >> L> QChain, (although you shouldn't need it for most Win2k stuff now)
> and
> > L> make
> > >> L> sure you use hfnetchk to see what you actually need.
> > >>
> > >> L> Not a designer, remember
> > >> L>
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> > >> L> Kathy
> > >> L> http://www.vendetta.co.uk
> > >> L> DNRC Minister for Useful but Irritating Information and Trivia
> > >> L>
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> > >> L> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> L> From: "Richard Watt" [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > >> L> To: [EMAIL REMOVED] [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > >> L> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 3:50 PM
> > >> L> Subject: Re[2]: FN-FORUM Mac info request
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >> Well, most versions of the MS Office products have crashed my
> machines
> > >> >> at least once a week, can be incredibly slow even on a machine
with
> > >> >> 512mb memory and a Ghz processor. From a website design point of
> view
> > >> >> IE has been responsble for many, many evils against HTML
standards,
> as
> > >> >> have earlier versions of Frontpage. I recently spent 7 hours
> patching
> > >> >> all my various browsers & operating systems, and am required to do
> > >> >> this about once a month otherwise my MS based operating systems
> could
> > >> >> be compromised, even with the latest patches my NT Server box
> displays
> > >> >> odd behavior, my old Win 98 machine crashes twice a day, and my
> > >> >> W2k laptop only shuts down cleanly 1/3rd of the time (from a clean
> > >> >> install).
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Please don't tell me they make good products; they have fantastic
> > >> >> marketing strategy, and have tied a good proportion of the world
> into
> > >> >> their products and proprietary file formats, that is all.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> -- Richard
> > >> >> http://www.rwatt.co.uk
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Sunday, September 15, 2002, 3:14:14 PM, you wrote:
> > >> >> ---------------------------------------
> > >>
> > >>
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