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RE: FN-FORUM [OT] Hunting and Countryside (was drip dry moby)
date posted 26th September 2002 19:17
That's me ...
Your point is?
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Sent: 26 September 2002 18:25
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Subject: Re: FN-FORUM [OT] Hunting and Countryside (was drip dry moby)
Is it you who lives in Nailsworth? Or was that someone else?
Dave
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Subject: RE: FN-FORUM [OT] Hunting and Countryside (was drip dry moby)
ROFL!
townie litter vandals
urban slugs
I've lived in rural and/or semi-rural areas for the vast majority of my
life and I just wanted everyone to know that they're welcome in my neck
of the woods any time,
Hutch
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Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: FN-FORUM [OT] Hunting and Countryside (was drip dry moby)
> two points i would make
>
> firstly - fox hunting - i dont much care about the welfare of foxes
any
more
> than i do that of rats and flies - they are/can be pests and
consequently
> they do need controlling (even here in Streatham where they rip our
dustbin
> bags around), I think most people have a similar opinion but like
myself
> disagree with the whole principal of making a sport from what is
undoubtably
> cruel (i'm pretty sure the fox does not like being chased until it is
> exhausted and then ripped apart), and i think that the majority of the
> country does not believe in fox hunting for that reason (many polls
have
> backed that up) and prince charles can shove that up his arse because
we
are
> a democracy. On the subject of cruelty - i was under the impression
that
fox
> hounds were shot after the age of three when they were deemed to be
past
> their prime - not put down but shot - which is hardly the most loving
> relationship between man and animal
>
One thing I must say about polls is that most people who spout forth
opinions aren't qualified to do so, usually by a self centred
unwillingness
to think or see otherpeople's viewpoints. This is an unfortunate side
effect
of democracy and one I'm not sure can be resolved. (unless we go for the
Pratchet view of 'one man, one vote' :) )
I have no patience for people who treat hounds in the manner you have
described, though I'm not always convinced that shooting is worse than
any
other way of killing. You have to see both to see why. Shooting is a lot
messier, though.
BTW. I know of a number of hunts, horse and foot, where the dogs are
well
loved and live a decently long and well cared for life. Also, many of
these
dogs are far better cared for than many domestic animals where you only
need
to talk to a vet or PDSA officer to realise how badly cared for they can
be.
> secondly - there are problems associated with the countryside but
there
are
> also many problems associated with urban life - London suffers from
lack
of
> housing, very expensive house prices, litter and disposal, transport,
crime
> and higher costs of living
>
As someone who has lived in both rural and urban Britain there are a few
things Id like to say here:
1. London, and other large cities, only suffer housing problems because
of
the rising population and the cost of rent/purchase. If fewer people had
to
leave the countryside, then fewer would need urban housing. Also there
are
many properties empty because people cannot afford to buy/rent them.
Both
these things are related. If there was less pressure forcing people into
cities, there would be less economic pressure to increase prices. Also,
maybe more should be done to make existing housing affordable rather
than
destroying more 'green field' sites.
2. Litter - hardly something we should feel sorry for, any more than we
feel
sorry for a student who has to cook in his/her fettid kitchen :) If
people
make a mess then they should have to live with it. One of the problems
with
modern society is that people think they can do what they want and not
pay
the price.
Mind you, it does make my blood boil when those same townie litter
vandals
go into the country and continue to make a mess. Luckily it never
happened
at our farm, but I know many people who lost stock because of poisonous
or
choking rubbish thrown from cars into fields.
3. Transport is bad, but at least you/we have it. It may not be cheap;
in
fact it is ludicrously over expensive, but it does exist which is more
than
can be said for most rural areas. In addition, for those who are not
utterly
incapable of walking more than 100 yards without the aid of a car most
London areas have shops and other amenities near at hand. This is not
the
case in the country where most local shops, banks, post offices etc have
been closed and it is not uncommon for anyone needing these little
luxuries
to have to travel 10-20 miles each way in order to use them. Also,
because
there is virtually no public transport then they have to drive.
4. Talking about the higher costs of living, what is the problem?
Usually
wages are markedly higher. Also, I notice a rather large difference in
prices at various super markets. Quite often it is cheaper in the city
where
the competition is higher and the market larger. Because there is no
public
transport, shops etc, people have to keep cars. These are not cheap
items
and are one of the best methods of getting rid of money for the single
person. In addition we have to use more fuel which in this country is
ludicrously taxed. If that isn't a tax for living in the country, I
don't
know what is.
5. Crime is frequently on the increase in rural areas now as the urban
slugs
move out to avoid the cctv cameras that are being installed everywhere.
Because rural police forces are often undermanned these crimes are just
as
likely to be left unsolved as in the city.
I think you've probably gathered by now that I've little time for the
frequently unthought through arguments about the city being so
expensive.
Also, remember, that the average townie wouldn't even consider going
into
the country unless they could change it into the city (not uncommon).
The
average country person wouldn't ever consider going to the city unless
they
had no choice, which most of us don't.
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