Re: FN-FORUM [OT] Radar Detectors (Was: Design Critique)

date posted 25th January 2003 10:50

My car is a 1.6 litre turbo - it'll do 0-60 in less than 7 seconds and
140mph. This is before any modifications that could push it to over 200bhp.
There are cars out there that have 1.3 litre turbo engines - how low should
the engine capacity for under 25s be?

I think there will always be ways around these rules - my friend had a 50cc
restricted motorbike when he was 16. He spend hours trying to make it go
faster - widening the carburettor jets, removing the baffles from the
exhaust and more. Nobody stopped him from doing that and though it may be
noticed in an MOT test, it didn't matter because after a year, he'd be
passing his driving test and getting a car or a 125cc motorbike.

Dave -Who has had 16 points on his licence over the 10 years he's been
driving and 7 accidents - none of which involved speeding - most involved
just not stopping in time...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Pritchard" [EMAIL REMOVED]
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Subject: Re: FN-FORUM [OT] Radar Detectors (Was: Design Critique)


> Speed limiters are fine in principle until you need to get out of trouble.
>
> I wouldn't like to be in a situation where I couldn't get the burst of
speed
> needed to finish a manouvre.
>
> If you want to deal with speed there are a couple of solutions :
>
> Classifying cars. At the moment, money permitting, you can pass your test
> at 17 and buy a Ferrari...Insurance companies do their best to make life
> difficult buy not granting cover to drivers under 25 for certain cars, but
> why not make it illegal to sell cars of over a certain engine capacity to
> drivers under 25? Or make it dependent upon years driving or even having
a
> clean licence for a year or two?
>
> OK. That doesn't stop a 17 year old oik from nicking your car. Make it a
> legal requirement for cars to be factory fitted with immobilisers and
> alarms.
>
> Driver Education. Poor handling of cars at any speed is the killer. I've

> seen people loose control at 40 mph in bad road conditions. Educate
drivers
> how to use speed properly. Encourage the advance driving test approach
and
> make it compulsory for people to have advanced driver instruction if tehy
> want to have a speedy set of wheels.
>
> Joe, who for the record has areasonably speedy set of wheels but no
> speeding tickets, has never ridden a motorbike but used to ride a
pushbike.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Eckersall" [EMAIL REMOVED]
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> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 12:14 AM
> Subject: Re: FN-FORUM [OT] Radar Detectors (Was: Design Critique)
>
>
> i've yet to work out why the hell speed limiters aren't placed in cars -
we
> have the tech.
>
> make sure a car is never capable of going about x mph above an areas speed
> limit - iirc they designed something like this in north-west university a
> couple of years back. the government as ever has shown no interest in it
> (perhaps auto manufacturers help fun the new labour project?)
>
> seems sensible to me, stops drivers speeding and would stop most of the
> joyriders from trashing cars, save a few lives and save thousands of
pounds
> since speeding advertsing would no longer be needed.
>
> certainly a hard-core criminal element would find ways of circumventing it
> but the more opportunistic types wouldnt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Crockford" [EMAIL REMOVED]
> To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 11:34 PM
> Subject: RE: FN-FORUM [OT] Radar Detectors (Was: Design Critique)
>
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Fundamentally, yes! See my other posting - speed limits are fixed
> > > across a broad spectrum of vehicular traffic. Apart from restrictions
> > > on HGVs, coaches, etc this entitles a mediocre, ancient car (with an
> > > MOT) to drive at the same speeds as a far more sophisticated car when,
> > > in some cases, they're just not capable of it.
> > >
> >
> > Here's what I know:
> >
> > If she had been driving 10 miles an hour faster, she wouldn't be here
> > now.
> >
> > If she hadn't been driving a car with ABS, Airbags and crumple zones she
> > wouldn't be here now.
> >
> > If the other girl driving the Van, 21yrs old, angry cos she'd lost a job
> > and possibly high on pot, hadn't pulled a u turn across the dual
> > carriageway in front of her she'd still be fit and well.
> >
> > As it is all those things are true and we've had to deal with the
> > consequences of some other idiot driving stupidly out of nowhere right
> > into her path for the last 7 years - no full recovery for us, no
> > pleasure in driving anymore, no company car, no job in fact, and no
> > foreign holidays either.
> >
> > A lot of the time it's not your driving that's the problem, it's
> > somebody else's.
> >
> > The faster you are going the further you travel while reacting and it's
> > nothing to do with the car at that point.
> >
> > Once you start acting then the safety features are a bonus, but when a
> > big solid van suddenly appears in the middle of the road in front of you
> > just as you crest the hill, you'd better pray you're not travelling too
> > fast.
> >
> > If speed camera's get people to slow down I say it's a good thing,
> > because idiotic driving doesn't just affect you, it can affect everyone
> > around you too.
> >
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