Re: FN-FORUM: innovative web video

date posted 1st October 2003 15:40

thanks, still cant get a job though :(

note to mike: was just wondering, you tend to find that its developers who
hate flash, or designers that only do webdesign cause they have to, although
i understand why, and see you point of view. But i just think flash can add
so much more depth to a website, if it be games or just some nice eye candy.

At the end of the day it might not be needed in any way or form, but people
like the wow factor when see stuff on the web.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Cook" [EMAIL REMOVED]
To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: FN-FORUM: innovative web video


>
> Dave - you have some sweet work in your portfolio.
>
> Dan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dave martin" [EMAIL REMOVED]
> To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 3:03 PM
> Subject: Re: FN-FORUM: innovative web video
>
>
> >
> > mike you a designer or developer?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mike Adamson" [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 2:54 PM
> > Subject: RE: FN-FORUM: innovative web video
> >
> >
> > >
> > > So the future of the web for you is rich media.. fair enough
> > >
> > > For my future... I'll go with rapid transfer of information to a
varity
> of
> > mobile devices, and that could include flash, BUT NOT THE
> > > WHOLE FRIGGING SHITTY SITE and not for some time yet
> > >
> > > time will tell who is right...
> > >
> > > > Why the hell not, that's so anal. If you want an indian takeaway
> > delivered,
> > > > you have to pick up a phone to get it (unless you're using some
kind
> of
> > > > ESP)
> > > ??? eh?
> > >
> > > Or the web and a search engine :P and I bet they dont have a flash
> shite
> > >
> > > > Thats poetry - a real gem! ..............coz there's no such thing
as
> a
> > > > shit HTML site is there?
> > >
> > > Of course there is! loads of em... a web for all, problem?
> > >
> > > In the mean time I have 10 years of HTML, so you reckon, (or its
> varients)
> > to work with
> > >
> > > TTFN
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL REMOVED] [EMAIL REMOVED] Behalf Of Dan
> > > > Cook
> > > > Sent: 01 October 2003 15:34
> > > > To: FN-FORUM / [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > > > Subject: Re: FN-FORUM: innovative web video
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mike wrote..........> Oh, god here we go....
> > > >
> > > > What! I'm not the only one here.......guys? and why say 'here we
go?'
> > it's
> > > > an important issue in our industry.
> > > >
> > > > > HTML -> the WEB -> get it?
> > > >
> > > > No I don't - HTML is outmoded and it's demise is inevitable. Within
10
> > years
> > > > html will be gone. It was never meant as a language for building
rich
> > > > interactive media experiences. (you're not Jakob Nielsen are you?) -
> > Talking
> > > > of J.N. - his site has me on the floor laughing
http://www.useit.com/
> <
> > is
> > > > that the future of the web? If it is I'm off down the pub.
> > > >
> > > > > And exactly why should your informative, well designed (a
> > contradiction in
> > > > terms IMO) flash site do well? because all the text is in
> > > > > the SWF, bollox that means you need flash player installed.... why
> > should
> > > > anyone be told what to do with there browser / os /
> > > > > programs?
> > > >
> > > > Why the hell not, that's so anal. If you want an indian takeaway
> > delivered,
> > > > you have to pick up a phone to get it (unless you're using some
kind
> of
> > > > ESP). You need a browser to view an html site (piece of software).
> Many
> > new
> > > > PCs (soon all) have flash player pre-installed anyway. At the moment
> swf
> > > > offers the best potential for media rich sites and if you don't have
> > flash
> > > > player installed, tough. It takes a few seconds to install, its
free -
> I
> > > > don't see a problem.
> > > >
> > > > > Thats life and its better than loads of shite flashy sites
clogging
> up
> > the
> > > > best search technology on the planet :P
> > > >
> > > > Thats poetry - a real gem! ..............coz there's no such thing
as
> a
> > > > shit HTML site is there?
> > > >
> > > > Dan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Mike Adamson" [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > > > To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:40 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: FN-FORUM: innovative web video
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, god here we go....
> > > > >
> > > > > [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote;
> > > > >
> > > > > > As for the fact that we have to bow down to google to get
listed -
> > that
> > > > > > really annoys me. Google is completely facist and discrimintave
in
> > the
> > > > way
> > > > > > that it works and this is something that needs to change SOON.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bow down? what planet you on?
> > > > >
> > > > > [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote;
> > > > > > I can design a site thats completely full of shit and have it
come
> > top
> > > > of search
> > > > > > engines because I made it in a certain way and my well designed
> > > > informative
> > > > > > flash based site wont appear. That's outrageous.
> > > > >
> > > > > And exactly why should your informative, well designed (a
> > contradiction in
> > > > terms IMO) flash site do well? because all the text is in
> > > > > the SWF, bollox that means you need flash player installed.... why
> > should
> > > > anyone be told what to do with there browser / os /
> > > > > programs?
> > > > >
> > > > > HTML -> the WEB -> get it?
> > > > >
> > > > > Websites using Flash should use it only in the bits you need, not
> the
> > > > whole frigging thing.. the quicker people realise this the
> > > > > better Google will get at indexing these sites and returning your
> 'now
> > > > better designed' site above the shite
> > > > >
> > > > > [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote;
> > > > > >That's outrageous.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thats life and its better than loads of shite flashy sites
clogging
> up
> > the
> > > > best search technology on the planet :P
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: [EMAIL REMOVED] [EMAIL REMOVED] Behalf Of
> Dan
> > > > > > Cook
> > > > > > Sent: 01 October 2003 14:00
> > > > > > To: FN-FORUM / [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > > > > > Subject: Re: FN-FORUM: innovative web video
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What!? To be a trend setter you don't necessarily have to adhere
> to
> > > > > > accessibility. I'n fact, to use your analogy they can say 'if
you
> > don't
> > > > want
> > > > > > to wear a tie to get in, then f**k off!' Trend setters are for
the
> > most
> > > > part
> > > > > > innovators, that is they break rules in order to push boundries.
> I'm
> > not
> > > > > > looking for sites that are accessible to all - as long as 'I'
can
> > see
> > > > them I
> > > > > > don't give a monkeys. If I'm designing a site where
accessibility
> is
> > an
> > > > > > important issue thats different. Why does everything have to be
> > bloody
> > > > > > accessible?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As for the fact that we have to bow down to google to get
listed -
> > that
> > > > > > really annoys me. Google is completely facist and discrimintave
in
> > the
> > > > way
> > > > > > that it works and this is something that needs to change SOON.
The
> > > > > > technology is there to read text inside swfs so they should use
it
> > (ok
> > > > they
> > > > > > have just started to experiment with this but it's not good
> enough).
> > I
> > > > can
> > > > > > design a site thats completely full of shit and have it come top
> of
> > > > search
> > > > > > engines because I made it in a certain way and my well designed
> > > > informative
> > > > > > flash based site wont appear. That's outrageous.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Richard Bennett" [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > > > > > To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:22 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: FN-FORUM: innovative web video
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > I didn't actually see the site because it required me to
install
> a
> > new
> > > > > > > flashplayer , which is the same as telling me I have to wear a
> tie
> > to
> > > > > > enter
> > > > > > > a restaurant - I only do it if I really need to.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is however a perfect example of how they have forgone the
> basic
> > > > steps
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > accessibility, in the rush to be trend-setters.
> > > > > > > I guess they decided their market were teens, who would be
sure
> to
> > > > have
> > > > > > > full-spec PCs.
> > > > > > > In the meantime they forgot about teens surfing on their
mobile,
> > > > > > > parents/grandparents wanting to buy a present, and
> search-engines.
> > > > > > > How will they get traffic without search-engine listing?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > They might get some visitors searching for the term 'loader'
> > though:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.google.com/search?q=www.baconskateboards.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > might be some kind of skateboarding phrase I guess...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Deborah Causton" [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:53 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: FN-FORUM: innovative web video
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Theres a new skateboard site done in Flash MX 2004 (7)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Pretty cool..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.baconskateboards.com/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > other then that nothing comes to mind...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Deborah
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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