Freelancers Forum Messages on Thursday March 10th 2005
Re: FN-FORUM: Free remotely hosted message boards
date posted 10th March 2005 23:58
Matthew Russell wrote:
>>I would like to set up a free remotely hosted message board, but there are
>>
>>
>so many message board hosts out there, I don't know which to choose! Do any
>of you hav...
Re: FN-FORUM: Cheap/free disk clone tool
date posted 10th March 2005 23:57
Paul J White wrote:
> It's big, and you can tell how hard it is when I thump you - my handbag,
> of course!
I'm so very glad you specified that there..
> And Rachel, no matter how much you love thi...
Re: FN-FORUM: Cheap/free disk clone tool
date posted 10th March 2005 23:56
> It's big, and you can tell how hard it is when I thump you - my
> handbag, of course!
>
> And Rachel, no matter how much you love this list, I'll have to
> handbag you privately to deliver the fu...
Re: FN-FORUM: Cheap/free disk clone tool
date posted 10th March 2005 23:54
On 10 Mar 2005 18:52:42 -0000, Rachel Graves [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
>
> > Yeah but they said "side with the girls", not "become a housewife" ;)
> >
> > I'll shut up now before you hit me with *your*...
Re: FN-FORUM: Free remotely hosted message boards (OT)
date posted 10th March 2005 23:51
Dave Edwards wrote:
> On 10 Mar 2005 18:17:14 -0000, christine ce [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
>
>>And (!!!WARNING!!! DUMB QUESTION!!!) could someone explain the
>>difference between a message board and a...
RE: FN-FORUM: Free remotely hosted message boards
date posted 10th March 2005 23:50
>I would like to set up a free remotely hosted message board, but there are
so many message board hosts out there, I don't know which to choose! Do any
of you have any recommendations?
>And (!!!WARNI...
Re: FN-FORUM: Cheap/free disk clone tool
date posted 10th March 2005 23:49
Aaron Brailsford wrote:
>
> Paul J White wrote:
>
>> It's always worked for me ;-)
>
>
> Yeah but they said "side with the girls", not "become a housewife" ;)
>
> I'll shut up now before you hit...
Re: FN-FORUM: Free remotely hosted message boards
date posted 10th March 2005 23:49
On 10 Mar 2005 18:17:14 -0000, christine ce [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
>
> And (!!!WARNING!!! DUMB QUESTION!!!) could someone explain the
> difference between a message board and a forum?
>
No, good que...
Re: FN-FORUM: Cheap/free disk clone tool
date posted 10th March 2005 23:44
> Yeah but they said "side with the girls", not "become a housewife" ;)
>
> I'll shut up now before you hit me with *your* handbag...
>
> *runs off*
>
> ;)
>
I love this list already :-)
--
Rachel...
Re: FN-FORUM: (OT) Muggins here
date posted 10th March 2005 23:42
On 10 Mar 2005 17:54:18 -0000, John Anderson
[EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
>
> I just feel the need to have a whinge, here.
>
> I agreed to provide a logo for the wife of a freelancer, at a very low
> pric...
Re: FN-FORUM: Cheap/free disk clone tool
date posted 10th March 2005 23:40
Paul J White wrote:
> It's always worked for me ;-)
Yeah but they said "side with the girls", not "become a housewife" ;)
I'll shut up now before you hit me with *your* handbag...
*runs off*
;)...
Re: FN-FORUM: (OT) Muggins here
date posted 10th March 2005 23:37
On 10 Mar 2005 18:12:53 -0000, Darren Seamark
[EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
>
> Don't get me wrong, I'm not annoyed at the fact I didn't get paid, it's the
> fact they didn't even buy me a pint! If it had...
Re: FN-FORUM: Cheap/free disk clone tool
date posted 10th March 2005 23:35
Rachel Graves wrote:
>
>> Paul J White wrote:
>>
>>> Go on, give him one from me, too ;-)
>>
>> Oi! Who's side are you on?
>>
> He went on a survival course where they said :
>
> "Rule #1. Always s...
Re: FN-FORUM: Free remotely hosted message boards
date posted 10th March 2005 23:16
christine ce wrote:
> And (!!!WARNING!!! DUMB QUESTION!!!) could someone explain the
> difference between a message board and a forum?
As far as I know, there is no difference, just two words to mean...
FN-FORUM: Free remotely hosted message boards
date posted 10th March 2005 23:09
Hello everyone,
I would like to set up a free remotely hosted message board, but there
are so many message board hosts out there, I don't know which to
choose! Do any of you have any recommendations...
RE: FN-FORUM: (OT) Muggins here
date posted 10th March 2005 23:05
>Have either of them had the courtesy to reply?
>Have they buggery.
>Last time I do someone a favour.
Tell me about it. Towards the end of last year I was offered some work
from two good friends...
FN-FORUM: CSS help please
date posted 10th March 2005 23:00
I am trying to resolve some positioning issues and would appreciate
some pointers.
The test page is at http://asbah.tvw.net and the main css files are at
http://asbah.tvw.net/styles/mainlayout.css...
FN-FORUM: OT: Zopa
date posted 10th March 2005 22:51
Has anyone tried using this Zopa thing to lend money? It's completely
legit and recognised by the FSA and apparently it's safe. I'd be interested
to know if anyone has tried it.
https://www.zopa....
Re: FN-FORUM: Call centres and the Turing Test
date posted 10th March 2005 22:46
Yes, I like that - I usually ask them which BT phone bill they are referring
to, that throws them.
Try "Oh, you're those people that Trading Standards sent out a warning
about?" on the scam advertise...
FN-FORUM: (OT) Muggins here
date posted 10th March 2005 22:46
I just feel the need to have a whinge, here.
I agreed to provide a logo for the wife of a freelancer, at a very low
price. (She's just starting out, he's a member of the Freelancers, what th'
heck...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 21:12
Dave Edwards wrote:
>The man's not called and I've not called him.
>
????? Mr Plod ?
--
Sylvia...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 21:03
On 10 Mar 2005 13:10:40 -0000, Rachel Graves [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
>=20
> >>>
> >>>> Or are you thinking of a particular - how should we say -
> >>>> 'variety', Rachel? :D
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyone care...
Re: FN-FORUM: Cheap/free disk clone tool
date posted 10th March 2005 20:04
>
> Paul J White wrote:
>
>> Go on, give him one from me, too ;-)
>
>
> Oi! Who's side are you on?
>
>
He went on a survival course where they said :
"Rule #1. Always side with the girls"
--
Rach...
Re: FN-FORUM: Cheap/free disk clone tool
date posted 10th March 2005 19:46
> Go on, give him one from me, too ;-)
>
> Paul.
>
>
*smacks Paul with handbag*
don't be nasty!
;-)
--
Rachel Graves, http://www.netbeans.co.uk
Security, Consultancy, Maintenance, Support, Develop...
Re: FN-FORUM: Cheap/free disk clone tool
date posted 10th March 2005 19:43
Rachel Graves wrote:
> *smacks handbag around Aaron's face*
I dunno, you try and give someone a compliment (y'know, 'real women
compile from source') and you get a handbag round the chops!
*rubs f...
Re: FN-FORUM: Call centres and the Turing Test
date posted 10th March 2005 19:29
On Thursday 10 Mar 2005 2:30 pm, Damon wrote:
> It seams once your response is off script they go to pot. Does that mea=
n
> they fail the Turing Test?
Probably. I had one the other day where I ask...
FN-FORUM: Call centres and the Turing Test
date posted 10th March 2005 19:22
Just had another "international" call (I have caller display)
I was in the mood for fun and it was an American voice not Indian for a
change which surprised me but off I went
Bob: Hello, this is Bo...
Re: FN-FORUM: Cheap/free disk clone tool
date posted 10th March 2005 19:17
Rachel Graves wrote:
>
> Aaron Brailsford wrote:
>
>> Pfft, RPMs are for wimps, real men (and women, apparently) compile
>> from source..
>>
>> ;)
>>
> Apparantly... you should have typed "*duck*"...
Re: FN-FORUM: Cheap/free disk clone tool
date posted 10th March 2005 19:12
Aaron Brailsford wrote:
>
> Rachel Graves wrote:
>
>> I should really really really just use pkgtool or rpm's :) But I like
>> compiling :)
>
>
> Pfft, RPMs are for wimps, real men (and women, appar...
RE: FN-FORUM: HD recovery recommendation anyone?
date posted 10th March 2005 19:07
Try R&R=20
01462834546
Now it was about 3 years ago I dealt with them so number may have =
changed
but excellent service
Damon
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL REMOVED] [EMAIL REMOVED]...
Re: FN-FORUM: HD recovery recommendation anyone?
date posted 10th March 2005 18:46
Strange, when GetDataBack for NTSF is running, I even get to the disk
using Windows Explorer. If I exit GDB I can't access the drive
anymore. Easy solution, keep it running and copy My Documents over...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT: www.jcbsong.co.uk
date posted 10th March 2005 18:31
Andy Connor [EMAIL REMOVED] writes
>
>Very clever indeed and a great song..........
>
>http://www.jcbsong.co.uk enjoy!
>
Are there any awards for the best use of Flash? This would have to be a
front...
Re: FN-FORUM: HD recovery recommendation anyone?
date posted 10th March 2005 18:07
Got an e-mail quote from one of the google companies I visited. based
on the size and model they list the last 3 prices for this size and
model or similar. They were all around =A3260-=A3265, so a lot...
Re: FN-FORUM: Cheap/free disk clone tool
date posted 10th March 2005 18:04
Rachel Graves wrote:
>>
>> You're weird ;-)
>>
>> Paul.
>>
> You have no idea ;-)
Oh, I have an inkling - but there's not much shocks me!
Paul....
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 18:02
sylvia wrote:
>
> Rachel Graves wrote:
>
>>
>> Paul J White wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Dave Edwards wrote:
>>>
>>>> Or are you thinking of a particular - how should we say -
>>>> 'variety', Rachel? :D
>>>>...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 17:56
Rachel Graves wrote:
>
> Paul J White wrote:
>
>>
>> Dave Edwards wrote:
>>
>>> Or are you thinking of a particular - how should we say - 'variety',
>>> Rachel? :D
>>>
>>> Anyone care for a ... hom...
Re: FN-FORUM: Cheap/free disk clone tool
date posted 10th March 2005 17:50
>
> You're weird ;-)
>
> Paul.
>
>
You have no idea ;-)
--
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Security, Consultancy, Maintenance, Support, Development...
Re: FN-FORUM: HD recovery recommendation anyone?
date posted 10th March 2005 17:50
On Thursday 10 Mar 2005 12:41 pm, [EMAIL REMOVED] JPSnet.co.uk wrote:
> Do you meant stick in the freezer overnight? How long do you defrost
> it afterwards (presume no use putting it afterwards into...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 17:49
Paul J White wrote:
>
> Dave Edwards wrote:
>
>> Yeah, ... like the potted basil, parsley, coriander you see at the
>> supermarket but also sage, thyme, rosemary, sorrel and Sicilian
>> oregano and a...
Re: FN-FORUM: Old Flash link
date posted 10th March 2005 17:45
> > Someone posted a link to v. cool Flash movie some weeks/months back - an
> > endlessly zooming illustration - trees, elves, clouds...
> >
> > Does anyone remember the site or still have the link?...
Re: FN-FORUM: HD recovery recommendation anyone?
date posted 10th March 2005 17:38
George,
looks interesting, already started the download. I'll let you know if it works.
Peter...
Re: FN-FORUM: HD recovery recommendation anyone?
date posted 10th March 2005 17:33
> BIOS doesn't see it? Does it spin up? Does it make "tok-tok" noises?
Bios not sure I used an external casing to try which connects with
USB/Firewire, neiterh resulted in a connection
It spins an...
Re: FN-FORUM: HD recovery recommendation anyone?
date posted 10th March 2005 17:23
[EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
> One of my clients called as his PC didn't boot. Turned out to be a
> 'dead' harddisk. Can't even get to it in one of my boxes as a slave
> drive. Now you will have guessed, he...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 17:19
Dave Edwards wrote:
> Yeah, ... like the potted basil, parsley, coriander you see at the
> supermarket but also sage, thyme, rosemary, sorrel and Sicilian
> oregano and as I said ones I'd never heard...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 17:18
Dave Edwards wrote:
> And here's my 'perversion':
>
>http://www.eastlondonmarkets.com/Columbia%20Road.htm
>http://www.eastlondonmarkets.com/crm-history.htm
>http://www.columbia-flower-market.freewebs...
Re: FN-FORUM: HD recovery recommendation anyone?
date posted 10th March 2005 17:17
On Thursday 10 Mar 2005 12:00 pm, [EMAIL REMOVED] JPSnet.co.uk wrote:
> One of my clients called as his PC didn't boot. Turned out to be a
> 'dead' harddisk. Can't even get to it in one of my boxes a...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 17:13
On 10 Mar 2005 12:06:27 -0000, Rachel Graves [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
>
>
> >I keep meaning to go back as there was stall selling all kinds of
> >potted herbs - some I'd never heard of.
> >
> Potted h...
Re: FN-FORUM: Cheap/free disk clone tool
date posted 10th March 2005 17:09
Rachel Graves wrote:
> I should really really really just use pkgtool or rpm's :) But I like
> compiling :)
Pfft, RPMs are for wimps, real men (and women, apparently) compile from
source..
;)...
Re: FN-FORUM: Darth Tater
date posted 10th March 2005 17:07
Andy Macnaughton-Jones wrote:
>I'm afriad it can't be as my wife bought me one at the weekend.
>
>
>
Mine cost £6 - a lot less than the £20 people are trying to flog 'em for
on Amazon UK. And i...
Re: FN-FORUM: New Server
date posted 10th March 2005 17:03
On 10 Mar 2005 11:33:51 -0000, Rachel Graves [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
>
> Rob Garbutt wrote:
>
> >what's the hardware spec?
> >
> >
> PIII 800 512MB ram :-)
>
> Only the best backup servers!
>
for...
Re: FN-FORUM: Getting contracts ...
date posted 10th March 2005 17:00
I send huge quantities of e-mails (all fully opted-in) to consumers
each week and have done for 3 years now - without too many problems
and no changes of IP or other tricks that spammers use.
B2B e-m...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 16:58
>I keep meaning to go back as there was stall selling all kinds of
>potted herbs - some I'd never heard of.
>
>
>
Potted herbs? ;-)
>Hmm ... could even be a freelancer event ... anyone interested?...
Re: FN-FORUM: Cheap/free disk clone tool
date posted 10th March 2005 16:56
Rachel Graves wrote:
>
> it's free :-) and men shouldnt be so lazy :-)
Not so much lazy, as ignorant. I'm an artist at heart!
> I should really really really just use pkgtool or rpm's :) But I...
RE: FN-FORUM: Getting contracts ...
date posted 10th March 2005 16:55
< A one-man or two-man band is as much a "real company" as IBM, if they act
accordingly. Don't buy into Treasury rhetoric just cos we're small.>
Well said, that man!
Lindsay
Howardsgate LLP...
Re: FN-FORUM: Old Flash link
date posted 10th March 2005 16:52
At 11:31 on Thursday, 10 Mar 2005, Niels Reynolds wrote:
>
> Someone posted a link to v. cool Flash movie some weeks/months back - an
> endlessly zooming illustration - trees, elves, clouds...
>
> Do...
FN-FORUM: HD recovery recommendation anyone?
date posted 10th March 2005 16:51
Hello all,
One of my clients called as his PC didn't boot. Turned out to be a
'dead' harddisk. Can't even get to it in one of my boxes as a slave
drive. Now you will have guessed, he has important da...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 16:49
On 10 Mar 2005 11:18:59 -0000, Marc Wilson [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
> > Rachel asked:
> >Which of you are Handsome, Rich, Unattached Pervs? >;)
> >
> One out of four. Guess which.
Well, according to a...
RE: FN-FORUM: Darth Tater
date posted 10th March 2005 16:47
I'm afriad it can't be as my wife bought me one at the weekend.=20
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL REMOVED] [EMAIL REMOVED] On Behalf Of Jamie
Wilson
Sent: 10 March 2005 11:42
To: Andy Macnau...
FN-FORUM: OT: www.jcbsong.co.uk
date posted 10th March 2005 16:45
Very clever indeed and a great song..........
http://www.jcbsong.co.uk enjoy!...
Re: FN-FORUM: Getting contracts ...
date posted 10th March 2005 16:39
> I suspect that wouldn't be a problem- if there is a public invitation to
> submit CVs, samples etc they can hardly turn round and call it spam.
>
> In fact, if you check the last posting from Sam,...
RE: FN-FORUM: Garmin 301 GPS/HRM
date posted 10th March 2005 16:38
It's for running - hence the HRM (heart rate monitor)=20
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL REMOVED] [EMAIL REMOVED] On Behalf Of Marc
Wilson
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 11:28 AM
To: Andy Mac...
RE: FN-FORUM: New Server
date posted 10th March 2005 16:36
Jamie Wilson wrote:
> Rachel Graves wrote:
>
>>
>> I just had my new server (backup in Birmingham) go online.
>>
>> I can't decide what to install first :-) Ideas?
>
> memtest
>
> ...j
And mayb...
FN-FORUM: Spare Server anyone?
date posted 10th March 2005 16:35
Hi All,
I have a couple of spare servers if anyone is interested. They aren't
new.
Specs
1x Compaq Proliant PL1600 with.. 2 x Pentium II 400Mhz at least 512MB
Ram and 5x 9.6GB SCSI Drives in a RAID...
FN-FORUM: Darth Tater
date posted 10th March 2005 16:34
I got one of these last night:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00061I4U6/
Therefore it can safely be concluded that I am better than you.
...j...
Re: FN-FORUM: New Server
date posted 10th March 2005 16:30
Rachel Graves wrote:
>
> I just had my new server (backup in Birmingham) go online.
>
> I can't decide what to install first :-) Ideas?
memtest
...j...
Re: FN-FORUM: Cheap/free disk clone tool
date posted 10th March 2005 16:27
I only finished doing all that yesterday on my second host box (well,
postfix, apache, php, mysql, etc and on gentoo not slackware).
>
> I started doing it last year.
>
> Of course, if I wasn't a la...
Re: FN-FORUM: New Server
date posted 10th March 2005 16:25
Rob Garbutt wrote:
>what's the hardware spec?
>
>
PIII 800 512MB ram :-)
Only the best backup servers!
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Security, Consultancy, Maintenance, Support, De...
FN-FORUM: Old Flash link
date posted 10th March 2005 16:22
Someone posted a link to v. cool Flash movie some weeks/months back - an
endlessly zooming illustration - trees, elves, clouds...
Does anyone remember the site or still have the link?
Cheers,
Niels...
Re: FN-FORUM: New Server
date posted 10th March 2005 16:19
what's the hardware spec?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rachel Graves" [EMAIL REMOVED]
To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 10:32 AM
Subject: FN-FORUM: New Server
>
> I just ha...
Re: FN-FORUM: Garmin 301 GPS/HRM
date posted 10th March 2005 16:19
In freelance.forum, Andy Macnaughton-Jones [EMAIL REMOVED] (Andy
Macnaughton-Jones) wrote in [EMAIL REMOVED]
>
>Hi,
> Anybody got one of these ? Are they any good ? My wife's thinking of
>purchasin...
Re: FN-FORUM: Cheap/free disk clone tool
date posted 10th March 2005 16:18
Rachel Graves wrote:
> Right now im compiling qmail, then got to do apache, php, mysql, perl,
> bind and loads more.
I only finished doing all that yesterday on my second host box (well,
postfix, a...
Re: FN-FORUM: London rates v 2 ?
date posted 10th March 2005 16:16
In freelance.forum, Paul [EMAIL REMOVED] (Paul) wrote in
[EMAIL REMOVED]
>
>Hi all,
>
>Does anybody can advise me about London's rate ?
>In France (South), I used to charge my clients 50£ / hour (...
Re: FN-FORUM: Cheap/free disk clone tool
date posted 10th March 2005 16:13
Dave Edwards wrote:
>On 10 Mar 2005 10:18:49 -0000, Paul J White [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
>
>
>>You are fond of hard work! Thanks for the suggestion, but the thought
>>of ftp, shell prompts, command...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 16:11
In freelance.forum, Rachel Graves [EMAIL REMOVED] (Rachel Graves)
wrote in [EMAIL REMOVED]
>
> >Yup we are all pervs really aren't we :)
>
>>Rus
>
>Which of you are Handsome, Rich, Unattached Pervs?...
Re: FN-FORUM: Getting contracts ... BNI
date posted 10th March 2005 16:09
In freelance.forum, on 10 Mar 2005 04:22:23 -0000, you wrote:
>I've also been to a similar British-based organisation called BRE=20
>(Business referral Exchange - www.brenet.co.uk ), which is a bit...
Re: FN-FORUM: Getting contracts ... BNI
date posted 10th March 2005 16:07
In freelance.forum, Niels Reynolds [EMAIL REMOVED] (Niels
Reynolds) wrote in [EMAIL REMOVED]
>
>BNI is Business Network International. Local groups invite one
>company/individual in each area of bus...
Re: FN-FORUM: Cheap/free disk clone tool
date posted 10th March 2005 16:07
On 10 Mar 2005 10:18:49 -0000, Paul J White [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
> >
> You are fond of hard work! Thanks for the suggestion, but the thought
> of ftp, shell prompts, command lines and DHCP servers j...
Re: FN-FORUM: Getting contracts ... BNI
date posted 10th March 2005 16:01
In freelance.forum, Admin - Z5Net [EMAIL REMOVED] (Admin - Z5Net) wrote
in [EMAIL REMOVED]
>
>Marc Wilson wrote:
>> In freelance.forum, Niels Reynolds [EMAIL REMOVED] (Niels
>> Reynolds) wrote in...
Re: FN-FORUM: Garmin 301 GPS/HRM
date posted 10th March 2005 16:00
My running partner has the Garmin Forerunner 301- not sure if the same one
or not? She certainly gets a lot of use out of it and hasn't complained. She
gets one hell of a lot of use as she's trainin...
Re: FN-FORUM: Getting contracts ...
date posted 10th March 2005 15:59
In freelance.forum, Catherine Hutchinson [EMAIL REMOVED]
(Catherine Hutchinson) wrote in [EMAIL REMOVED]
>
>> Even I get 3 or 4 a month from people who think this is a 'real
>> company' as opposed t...
Re: FN-FORUM: Getting contracts ...
date posted 10th March 2005 15:57
In freelance.forum, Dan Norcott [EMAIL REMOVED] (Dan Norcott) wrote
in [EMAIL REMOVED]
>
>Dave Edwards wrote:
>
>> In Canada, I used to run newspaper ads to hire people and would get
>> upwards of a...
Re: FN-FORUM: Getting contracts ...
date posted 10th March 2005 15:54
In freelance.forum, on 10 Mar 2005 04:43:36 -0000, you wrote:
>However I am still going to send lots of email, because dozens of
>companies I am interested in have very specific email addresses to
>s...
Re: FN-FORUM: working for a US individual - considerations ?
date posted 10th March 2005 15:52
On 10 Mar 2005 04:37:49 -0000, Andrew Wilson [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
>
> I've done a lot of work for American companies over the years and have
> always found that they pay up front - (sometimes sendi...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Badger, Badger.
date posted 10th March 2005 15:43
How do I put this? There is something disturbing about the badgers tails.
--
Sylvia...
FN-FORUM: New Server
date posted 10th March 2005 15:24
I just had my new server (backup in Birmingham) go online.
I can't decide what to install first :-) Ideas?
FYI it's slackware 10.1
--
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Security, Consultanc...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Badger, Badger.
date posted 10th March 2005 15:16
Fantastic - the shoe canon from the 6th day on the advent calendar!!!
Crying here, gonna have all the mums asking if the rabbits died now
when I go and get beelzebub from school!
Keep 'em coming......
FN-FORUM: Garmin 301 GPS/HRM
date posted 10th March 2005 15:13
Hi,
Anybody got one of these ? Are they any good ? My wife's thinking of
purchasing one
Cheers
Andy...
FN-FORUM: font sought
date posted 10th March 2005 15:13
anyone got FF DIN Bold for windows...
;o)
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Re: FN-FORUM: Cheap/free disk clone tool
date posted 10th March 2005 15:11
Gareth Griffiths wrote:
> Hi Rachel,
> On the 09 March 2005 06:42, you wrote:
>
>>You mean the evil Symantec company? *thinks of AV, ACT6 etc and
>>shudders*
>
> Indeed ;) I would never touch NAV...
Re: FN-FORUM: Cheap/free disk clone tool
date posted 10th March 2005 15:10
Rachel Graves wrote:
>
> http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/
>
> Hope this helps :)
>
You are fond of hard work! Thanks for the suggestion, but the thought
of ftp, shell prompts, command lines and DHCP serv...
RE: FN-FORUM: .Net upload progress bar
date posted 10th March 2005 14:24
You Star
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> Sweeney
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Re: FN-FORUM: .Net upload progress bar
date posted 10th March 2005 14:05
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Damon wrote:
>
> I think it was john Kyle who asked about an ASP.Net progress bar for when
> you upload files and someone came up with an excellent link that had one.
> Although...
RE: FN-FORUM: .Net upload progress bar
date posted 10th March 2005 13:59
Look on the Code Project website. www.codeproject.com it was on there but
don't have the original link....
FN-FORUM: .Net upload progress bar
date posted 10th March 2005 13:56
I think it was john Kyle who asked about an ASP.Net progress bar for when
you upload files and someone came up with an excellent link that had one.
Although I bookmarked it, that machine has crashed,...
RE: FN-FORUM: Access to Access
date posted 10th March 2005 13:09
>>>Yes that is what he wants, no matter what the overhead as it will only be
used a few times each week.>I thought that I could use a connection string with jet4.0...
RE: FN-FORUM: Font help..
date posted 10th March 2005 12:59
Charles E.Gatenby wrote:
> Any one got EF Stencil that they can lend....
>
> TIA..
>
> Chaz
Ignore that..
It appears I already have it.. D'oh..
Chaz....
FN-FORUM: Font help..
date posted 10th March 2005 12:56
Any one got EF Stencil that they can lend....
TIA..
Chaz...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 12:44
>
> Sheesh ... I make an off hand crack to entertain Sylvia and ... ;-)
OK I think we all need to stop. I'm just being so pervy now I'm adding
words like "one" into the previous statement...
Rus...
Re: FN-FORUM: spanish translation
date posted 10th March 2005 12:42
Sounds like a plan we could work to. I have a couple of people who could
come in but this sounds lot better especially as he will know how simple
the structure is
Andrew
> On 9 Mar 2005 11:30:53 -...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 12:41
On 10 Mar 2005 07:35:39 -0000, Rachel Graves [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
>
> > Rachel Graves wrote:
> >
> >> http://bondage.com is much better.
> >
I've been off doing 'on topic' stuff - or is that a perv...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 12:39
> Back to work!
Yes mistress :P
Rus
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Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 12:27
> Rachel Graves wrote:
>
>> http://bondage.com is much better.
>
>
> Should I ask how you know that?
>
> ;)
>
Back to work!
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Re: FN-FORUM: Access to Access
date posted 10th March 2005 12:27
In freelance.forum, Support VirtualICT [EMAIL REMOVED] (Support
VirtualICT) wrote in [EMAIL REMOVED]
>
>Hi all,
>
>I have a client on XP Pro using Access 2002 (and some PC's on 2000) who
>wants to b...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 12:25
Rachel Graves wrote:
> http://bondage.com is much better.
Should I ask how you know that?
;)...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 12:21
sylvia wrote:
>
> Rachel Graves wrote:
>
>> /me senses a list full of sadists and masochists.
>>
> .. or worse, you don't know for sure what any of us might be up to.
Oh I've seen everything.
--
R...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 12:18
Actually I'm grateful for the mention of suspenders. Waxed leggings
need a belt and I forgot to pack one. Can't rely on the weather these
days, might just need them. Hopefully gaiters will be eno...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 12:14
Aaron Brailsford wrote:
>
> Paul J White wrote:
>
>> If you're looking for a job, I have a position as slave open, which
>> would suit your submissive tendency!
>
>
> This just gets worse! What are...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 12:13
>
> If you're looking for a job, I have a position as slave open, which
> would suit your submissive tendency!
>
> Paul ;-)
>
>
Thanks but im already a full time slave to messy house mates and usele...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 12:12
Rachel Graves wrote:
> /me senses a list full of sadists and masochists.
>
.. or worse, you don't know for sure what any of us might be up to.
--
Sylvia...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 12:10
Paul J White wrote:
> If you're looking for a job, I have a position as slave open, which
> would suit your submissive tendency!
This just gets worse! What are you lot like?
By the sounds of it, ha...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 12:05
sylvia wrote:
>
> Rus Foster wrote:
>
>>> Naughty corner, definitely, any more and you are suspended.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I think he really wants to know if he would get a beating for being
>> naught.....
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 12:04
Rachel Graves wrote:
>>
> Bloody submissive side. *grumbles and goes back to jobserve*
If you're looking for a job, I have a position as slave open, which
would suit your submissive tendency!
Paul...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 12:03
>I think he really wants to know if he would get a beating for being
>naught..
Come one, play fair - public accusations of being *naught* can severely
damage one's self esteem...
N...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 12:02
Rus Foster wrote:
>>Naughty corner, definitely, any more and you are suspended.
>>
>>
>
>I think he really wants to know if he would get a beating for being
>naught..
>
>Rus
>
>
Caning is not...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 11:57
Oh I was expelled, but not for anything stocking-related.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Kathy
http://www.vendetta.co.uk
+44(0)7005 982 261
DNRC Minister...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 11:57
Paul J White wrote:
>
> Rachel Graves wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>> I spend ten minutes on the phone with a client and look where
>>> we end up! Now back to work with you...
>>>
>>> Paul ;-)
>>>
>> Yes Boss :...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 11:57
> Naughty corner, definitely, any more and you are suspended.
I think he really wants to know if he would get a beating for being
naught..
Rus
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Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 11:54
Dan Norcott wrote:
>> Definitely needed suspenders, how do you think they stay up?
>
> Creative clenching.
Naughty corner, definitely, any more and you are suspended.
--
Sylvia...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 11:53
Rachel Graves wrote:
>
>
>> I spend ten minutes on the phone with a client and look where
>> we end up! Now back to work with you...
>>
>> Paul ;-)
>>
> Yes Boss :-(
>
That's better - calling me...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 11:49
> I spend ten minutes on the phone with a client and look where
> we end up! Now back to work with you...
>
> Paul ;-)
>
Yes Boss :-(
--
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Security, Consult...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 11:46
Niels Reynolds wrote:
>>Yup we are all pervs really aren't we :)
>
>>>Which of you are Handsome, Rich, Unattached Pervs? >;)
>
> Weekend's looming, must be time for getting back round round to onli...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 11:43
> Weekend's looming, must be time for getting back round round to online
> dating again...
>
And once again after all the horror stories happy I'm settled
Rus
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Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 11:40
>Yup we are all pervs really aren't we :)
>>Which of you are Handsome, Rich, Unattached Pervs? >;)
Weekend's looming, must be time for getting back round round to online
dating again...
N...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 11:39
Rus Foster wrote:
>>Which of you are Handsome, Rich, Unattached Pervs? >;)
>>
>>
>
>Afraid I'm married but I meet the other two, honest :)
>
>Rus
>
>
Just updating my junk mail rules, that's al...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 11:36
Rachel Graves wrote:
> Which of you are Handsome, Rich, Unattached Pervs? >;)
*puts up hand*
Oh, wait, you said handsome and rich. Damn.
*takes hand down*...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 11:35
> Which of you are Handsome, Rich, Unattached Pervs? >;)
Afraid I'm married but I meet the other two, honest :)
Rus
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FN-FORUM: This just made my day
date posted 10th March 2005 11:34
Jake says:
theres ants on my desk... whats the chances they will just pull the crap
out from between the keys on my laptop without blowing it up or getting
squished
Rachel says:
low
Jake says:
LOL...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 11:31
>Yup we are all pervs really aren't we :)
>Rus
Which of you are Handsome, Rich, Unattached Pervs? >;)
--
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Security, Consultancy, Maintenance, Support, Deve...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 11:31
sylvia wrote:
> Definitely needed suspenders, how do you think they stay up?
Creative clenching.
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RE: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 11:28
>
> Nether do I, but I like it >;)
>
Yup we are all pervs really aren't we :)
Rus
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Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 11:26
Paul J White wrote:
> Stockings, suspended... I'm not sure where this thread is going ;-)
>
> Paul
>
Definitely needed suspenders, how do you think they stay up?
--
Sylvia...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 11:25
>Stockings, suspended... I'm not sure where this thread is going ;-)
>Paul
Oh Paul you are a handful :-) (no pun intended)
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Security, Consultancy, Maint...
RE: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 11:23
> Stockings, suspended... I'm not sure where this thread is going ;-)
>
Nether do I, but I like it >;)...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 11:20
Rachel Graves wrote:
>
>> Oh, yes, the joys of school stockings. Black ones, and after sitting
>> all through a double lesson they would move down the back of the thigh
>> and when you stood up th...
Re: FN-FORUM: Getting contracts ...
date posted 10th March 2005 11:09
> Even I get 3 or 4 a month from people who think this is a 'real
> company' as opposed to a one-man-band.
sorry my mail might have been a bit misleading - We are only a two-man band,
but we do fre...
Re: FN-FORUM: Getting contracts ...
date posted 10th March 2005 11:06
Dave Edwards wrote:
> In Canada, I used to run newspaper ads to hire people and would get
> upwards of a 100 CVs to plough through. You become quite brutal while
> editing the pile.
I heard somewher...
RE: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map -------------Scanned By Coundon Court - MailMonitor 220205
date posted 10th March 2005 11:03
I would have definitely been suspended!!!
-----Original Message-----
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Graves
Sent: 10 March 2005 05:58
To: Gary Woodward
Subject: Re: FN-FORUM...
Re: FN-FORUM: Getting contracts ...
date posted 10th March 2005 10:59
On 10 Mar 2005 05:08:24 -0000, Catherine Hutchinson
[EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
>
> hardly ever look at emails from prospective employees as I just receive too
> many of them.
Even I get 3 or 4 a month f...
Re: FN-FORUM: PowerPoint to PDF
date posted 10th March 2005 10:55
I'll give that a go thanks Kathy
> Just print slides, handouts or speaker's notes to PDF.
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Kathy
> http://www.vendetta.co...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 10:50
>> I went to a school that had seamed stockings as part of the
>> uniform...not
>> fishnets!
>>
>>
>>
> Oh, yes, the joys of school stockings. Black ones, and after sitting
> all through a doubl...
Re: FN-FORUM: PowerPoint to PDF
date posted 10th March 2005 10:46
if you have access to a mac, you could try importing your pres into
keynote and exporting as pdf
hth
>
> Just print slides, handouts or speaker's notes to PDF.
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++...
Re: FN-FORUM: Access to Access
date posted 10th March 2005 10:42
>
>
>No, he would do it on a bicycle, with the plough attached with bungee hooks.
>I have strongly advised other routes in the past but he *WANTS* this
>solution. I have already advised other solution...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 10:33
Lists wrote:
>I went to a school that had seamed stockings as part of the uniform...not
>fishnets!
>
>
>
Oh, yes, the joys of school stockings. Black ones, and after sitting
all through a double...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Badger, Badger.
date posted 10th March 2005 10:32
Carrie wrote:
>
> just blown away!
>
> Carrie
>
>
http://www.badgerx3.com/
http://www.footballbadgers.com
also on day 24 of this http://www.weebls-stuff.com/testy/adventcalendar.html
also special edi...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 10:19
Haven't worn them for a while. Seamed ones are easiest, get the stocking in
your hand lined up properly, then roll it down so it's the size of a sock
and put the foot part on. Roll the rest up your...
RE: FN-FORUM: Access to Access
date posted 10th March 2005 10:18
> I'm sure the client wouldn't be dumb enough to insist on using a Reliant
> Robin to plough a field...
>
No, he would do it on a bicycle, with the plough attached with bungee hooks.
I have strongly a...
Re: FN-FORUM: PowerPoint to PDF
date posted 10th March 2005 10:14
If you have the full version of Acrobat, you'll get better quality results
and smaller file sizes using Distiller.
Niels
>Just print slides, handouts or speaker's notes to PDF....
RE: FN-FORUM: Getting contracts ... BNI
date posted 10th March 2005 10:07
< I've been to a couple of meetings, and it obviously works for some people,
but the general atmosphere isn't for me - it's almost like a sort of
American revivalist church type of thing.>
Hear, hear,...
Re: FN-FORUM: Getting contracts ...
date posted 10th March 2005 10:00
> It seems almost any email to a business from a business can be proved
> to be spam. Its a sad things have gotten to this stage, and
> nightmarishly confusing.
Well not really - it's only spam if i...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 09:58
>> Any tips on getting fishnet stockings on straight?
>>
>>
> Never tried, sorry, try asking the 'young ladies'.
>
Just experience. :)
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Security, Cons...
RE: FN-FORUM: Getting contracts ... BNI
date posted 10th March 2005 09:57
The good thing about BNI is the structured thing. There's no skirting =
around why you're there - you want business and the philosophy is =
"givers gain" or what goes around comes around. If I give yo...
Re: FN-FORUM: PowerPoint to PDF
date posted 10th March 2005 09:54
Just print slides, handouts or speaker's notes to PDF.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Kathy
http://www.vendetta.co.uk
+44(0)7005 982 261
DNRC Minister fo...
FN-FORUM: PowerPoint to PDF
date posted 10th March 2005 09:41
I have a PP presentatin and need to make a pdf would it be best to just
simply to creat a word document and convert to pdf or is it poosible to
use the PP I already have...
People expect you to kno...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 09:36
Dave Edwards wrote:
>>of course if Dave was taken for a 'young woman' that would be really bad.
>>
>>
>
>Any tips on getting fishnet stockings on straight?
>
>
Never tried, sorry, try asking t...
Re: FN-FORUM: Getting contracts ...
date posted 10th March 2005 09:35
I was totally unaware of what officially constitutes spam and what the
penalties for it can be, and I concede those points.
It seems almost any email to a business from a business can be proved
to be...
Re: FN-FORUM: mod_rewrite
date posted 10th March 2005 09:31
You are both bricks - thanks - that worked - Pam
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 4:00 AM
Subject: Re: FN-FORUM:...
RE: FN-FORUM: working for a US individual - considerations ?
date posted 10th March 2005 09:30
I've done a lot of work for American companies over the years and have
always found that they pay up front - (sometimes sending a payment draft via
FedEx!) - seems they prefer it that way - and kept m...
RE: FN-FORUM: Getting contracts ... BNI
date posted 10th March 2005 09:28
=20
> I'm going to a 'taster' meeting next week, see what it's all about. No
> idea
> on cost, I'm expecting something like =A3300 - =A3500 a year(?).
>=20
Last year I visited a whole host of BNI and...
Re: FN-FORUM: Access to Access
date posted 10th March 2005 09:26
Hi,
As others have suggested Access is not designed to work across slow links
(i.e anything less that 10Mbps).
One solution that would work is to install PCAnywhere or VNC on a machine in
his office...
Re: FN-FORUM: Access to Access
date posted 10th March 2005 09:20
I'm very surprise that the clients wants data flying across the Internet in
plain sight. Not exactly in the spirit of data protection. I would say that
it is not going to work EVER in a useable way ov...
Re: FN-FORUM: mod_rewrite
date posted 10th March 2005 09:18
On 10 Mar 2005 03:53:20 -0000, PAMELA WHITTAKER [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
>
> I am having problems with mod_rewrite.
>
> I have got this in a .htaccess file under www.villavideo.com along with the
> in...
Re: FN-FORUM: Getting contracts ... BNI
date posted 10th March 2005 09:14
In message [EMAIL REMOVED] Niels Reynolds=20
[EMAIL REMOVED] writes
>
>BNI is Business Network International. Local groups invite one
>company/individual in each area of business to join the 'chapter'...
FN-FORUM: working for a US individual - considerations ?
date posted 10th March 2005 09:12
hello
I have been contacted by a US photographer about possibly doing some
work for him,
would it be as simple as working with my other UK clients - deposit and
rest of payments as seperate cheque...
Re: FN-FORUM: Rates ?
date posted 10th March 2005 08:59
Hi David,
> It's not a big job at all, I just need to have some information about the
> London rate ?
I would have thought basic updates like that would be about £25/hour.
--
Cheers,
Julian Voel...
Re: FN-FORUM: mod_rewrite
date posted 10th March 2005 08:52
PAMELA WHITTAKER wrote:
> www.villavideo.com/videos/AAAB761
>
> http://www.villavideo.com/index.php?action=viewskin&video_ref=AAAB761
>
> RewriteEngine on
> RewriteRule ^/videos/([a-zA-Z0-9]*)$
>...
FN-FORUM: mod_rewrite
date posted 10th March 2005 08:45
I am having problems with mod_rewrite.
I have got this in a .htaccess file under www.villavideo.com along with the
index.php file but it isn't working when I try
www.villavideo.com/videos/AAAB761...
Re: FN-FORUM: Getting contracts ... BNI
date posted 10th March 2005 08:41
BNI is Business Network International. Local groups invite one
company/individual in each area of business to join the 'chapter'. At
regular meetings members are given the opportunity to have a 60 sec...
RE: FN-FORUM: Access to Access
date posted 10th March 2005 08:12
HI Andy,
> If your client wants to work with a remote Access database over Broadband,
> your onto a loser unless you've got a very fast connection. Access is
> designed to run over a LAN. Response...
Re: FN-FORUM: Getting contracts ... BNI
date posted 10th March 2005 08:01
Hi folks fairly new to freelance work. Can someone tell me what BNI is.
I get most of my work from word of mouth/networking
Out of 2 years with yellow pages only had one client - just about got my
cos...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 00:30
[EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
>Are there anything other than dodgy women out there
>
>
>
>
*smack* ;)
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Security, Consultancy, Maintenance, Support, Developmen...
Re: FN-FORUM: OT - Rude tube map
date posted 10th March 2005 00:04
On 9 Mar 2005 11:49:25 -0000, sylvia [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
>
> Dave Edwards wrote:
>
> >where I have
> >been propositioned by young women offering their 'company' for a fee.
> >
> You may have foun...
RE: FN-FORUM: Access to Access
date posted 10th March 2005 00:03
>>>I have a client on XP Pro using Access 2002 (and some PC's on 2000) who
wants to be able to connect from a local PC to an access.mdb on his web
server. The thing is he wants to open a local .mdb da...
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