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Re: FN-FORUM: Advertising Bastards
date posted 10th January 2006 23:01
I know how you feel - I think I've been made redundant 5 times in the trade
over 20 years. I would like to add that they all But 1 made reducencies just
before the end of my 2nd year.
I'm so glad I made the move to freelance now - about to triple my income
that I could of got from working in the stressful, arrogant department of a
studio.
Don't let them get to you, it's the way of the business, not you!!!
Lorna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Laura Stadler" [EMAIL REMOVED]
To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: FN-FORUM: Advertising Bastards
>
> I'm based in Glasgow.
>
> I'm just bloody angry. After doing research on constructive dismissal etc.
> they are 'technically' giving me a dismissal - - I've never been
> dismissed/fired/made redundant in my entire life! - If so, how the hell
> does this affect later job prospects with anyone else? I have spent 9
> months at this company - What the hell do I say - oh yeah my last full
> time
> job was with this company - oh and why did you leave -I was dismissed -
> if
> so should I hand in my notice prior to waiting for the months end?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike A" [EMAIL REMOVED]
> To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 2:20 PM
> Subject: Re: FN-FORUM: Advertising Bastards
>
>
>>
>> Well, constructive dismissal won't help because it'll pay peanuts,
>> however
>> right you are.
>>
>> Many advertising companies start with two or three people leaving through
>> job problems. If you don't have a restrictive covenant the firm may come
> to
>> you to sign one... don't!
>>
>> Whatever happens, good luck!!!
>>
>> Mike A.
>> By the way... we're thinking of expansion, where are you?
>>
>>
>> Laura Stadler wrote:
>> > I was pulled into the boardroom the other day and told that profit
>> > ratio of the creative earnings for the company I work for was 1.3 and
>> > that we should be getting 2.0 - basically they said they are
>> > expecting £290,000 profit and are only getting £210,000.
>> >
>> > I was then told that may work is below the standard that the company
>> > expects from me and that they are giving me a month to improve
>> > otherwise my booty is out the door. I was told I have no clue about
>> > marketing and that basically my work is a load of rubbish. Turns out
>> > my senior designer who I work with on the same brand has been told
>> > the same thing about his work and they don't believe his portfolio
>> > which he showed them at his interview was really his work now.
>> >
>> > Working in the graphic design trade for 4 years now I had worked for
>> > three years as the graphics and marketing manager for an
>> > architectural practice and then after three years wanted to treat my
>> > architectural bunions and get experience in the advertising sector.
>> > Not withstanding, during the four years I have also freelanced as
>> > well - always having a job to do and clients always impressed with my
>> > work and coming back with repeat business whislt referring friends
>> > back at the same time. Notwithstanding, I have never let anything
>> > interfere with my current employment, always putting it first and
>> > working all hours of the day and night to get things done and to the
>> > standard that I feel should be achieved. As I have only been working
>> > in advertising for a year - I have been keen to learn and have never
>> > been afraid to ask questions and keen to get opinions on my work so I
>> > can learn and improve in the industry that I work in. I have now
>> > been told by the creative director to stop asking him questions and
>> > only present the final product to him. If I have any questions or
>> > want to know if I'm heading in the right direction to go ask someone
>> > else. Fair is fair, however, previously I have been told that all
>> > should do a series of scamps first and then present them to the
>> > director and the suggested idea which you feel is right to follow so
>> > that he is sure they are heading in the right direction. OK???
>> >
>> > So, I sit at my desk today, do some shite sticker to advertise on a
>> > rugby crossbar - make sure I everything is adhering ot brand
>> > guidelines for the advert, do a series of options then narrow it down
>> > to two, print it out and ask one of the guys if they have a couple of
>> > minutes to spare - to have a look for their opinion - it's a shite
>> > sticker for god sakes - easy peasy - and he says - fine - no - I
>> > agree with you - fine but has the creative director had a look at it
>> > because you really need to discuss your scamps and ideas with him
>> > prior to proceeding to the final stage. I'm standing there thinking
>> > - well I've been told not to - notwithstanding - not saying anything
>> > because I'm specifically been told in that meeting not to say anthing
>> > which has been told within those four walls about not seeing the
>> > creative director until I have a final outcome which he can just sign
>> > off and that's it. SO WHAT DO I DO?????
>> >
>> > I've got to the point I'm being screwed here because my work IS GOOD.
>> > yeah - I may not have the advertising experience as the others who
>> > have worked there for eight years or more but I am learning and I'm
>> > asking questions because I'm learning and trying to improve myself -
>> > but my work is good - if it wasn't I wouldn't be getting my repeat
>> > business out of freelancing.
>> >
>> > To sum up both the senior designer and myself are so pissed off as
>> > they have basically given us a months notice without being blantantly
>> > honest to us. I take it this is normal for the advertising
>> > trade????!! How do people get away with this??
>> > OK business is business but I have always believed in what goes
>> > around comes around. I've got to the point now that I am seriously
>> > considering setting up permanently on my own such that a. I can offer
>> > a hell of a better service to my clients - b. there's no bullshit
>> > involved. It appears there are too many people in advertising that
>> > are bullshitters and clients are appearing to suffer from this or are
>> > going elsewhere because they are not wanting to pay the extortionate
>> > fees for a ferkin crap service.
>> >
>> > There. I feel better. I needed to get that out.
>> >
>> > Laura
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Graeme J Sweeney" [EMAIL REMOVED]
>> > To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
>> > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 7:19 AM
>> > Subject: Re: FN-FORUM: problem booking form
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005, Graham Blakelock wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Been listening in for a while now. I have a small problem I was
>> >>> wondering if someone could help me with.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> $message = "Name: ". $_POST["name"] ."\r\n".
>> >>> "Organisation: ". $_POST["organisation"] ."\r\n".
>> >>> "Date/Date of Purchase: ". $_POST["date"] ."\r\n"
>> >>> "Number of Guests: ". $_POST["guests"] ."\r\n".
>> >>> "Telephone: ". $_POST["telephone"] ."\r\n".
>> >>> "Address: ". $_POST["address"] ."\r\n".
>> >>> "Email: ". $_POST["email"] ."\r\n"."\r\n".
>> >>
>> >> Shouldn't the last bit read
>> >>
>> >> "Email: ". $_POST["email"] ."\r\n"."\r\n";
>> >>
>> >> i.e. terminated with a semi colon?
>> >>
>> >> --
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>> >>
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