RE: FN-FORUM: ASP .NET Guidance

date posted 20th October 2006 22:13

The problem you have with VS2005 particularly is that it's basically
"access on steroids". You can "write" an application by just dragging
stuff onto the page, connecting things up and job done. It doesn't
however give you any understanding as to what's actually going on so
when something doesn't work quite how it should you spend feckin ages
trying to work it out. I've worked in parallel with another developer at
the client site I'm at at the moment and it took him just as long to
develop an application using the MS controls (and he's a very good
developer) because of all the work-arounds that were necessary for
"things that didn't work quite how MS wanted them to" compared to my
custom control / XML / XSLT / SQLXML approach.



-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL REMOVED] [EMAIL REMOVED] On Behalf Of Paul
Keir
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 10:35 PM
To: Andy Macnaughton-Jones
Subject: RE: FN-FORUM: ASP .NET Guidance


Thanks Craig

Interesting! I guess I'm not clear on why people would move to .NET

Aside from those people that aren't used to programming and want to get
the 'rapid' development environment of Visual Studio?

Cheers

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL REMOVED] [EMAIL REMOVED] On Behalf Of Craig
Sent: 20 October 2006 22:30
To: FN-FORUM / [EMAIL REMOVED]
Subject: RE: FN-FORUM: ASP .NET Guidance


Hi Paul,

I don't use MS controls at all (using VS2003) if I can help it. It's as
Andy says, their controls hardly ever put out proper html and never put
out xhtml. I call datareaders etc but then usually output them into an
array of html and display that. Rarely use databinding.

When MS get it right, i.e. reliable and standards compliant then I'll
use it but they're not there yet ( as far as I know ). I believe
ASP.NET V2.0 is closer but most shared hosting is still struggling with
V1.1!

I converted from classic asp last year on a large project. It was hell.

Hth

Craig=20

-----Original Message-----

Hi there

I've started trying to teach myself ASP .NET

In the past I've built a few ASP 2.0 Visual Basic sites where clients
have been hosting on Microsoft - and I was trying to update my skills by
adding .NET to my list.

Problem is I'm struggling to do relatively simple things which I know
how to do in Visual Basic.

My question: Are there ASP .NET developers out there that build sites
but don't bother with a lot of the ASP.NET controls - i.e. just
basically embed Visual Basic? Or do people use a mix of the two in the
same site / application? Its particularly the database controls I'm
struggling with - getting simple stuff out is OK, but I'm used to
various bits of the database appearing in different ways and linking to
other pages blah blah blah - I'm just not finding it easy. And I started
to think I was trying to hard with the data controls.

Any advice / guidance gratefully received!

Cheers

Paul.



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