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Re: FN-FORUM: Domain Renewal/Transfer
date posted 22nd December 2006 12:54
Andrew,
Thanks again for the offer-I've looked up the drop date and it's only
about 2 weeks later. Re Sedo-I did a domain lookup on ukreg and it said
it was taken but offered Sedo (partner/affiliate by any chance!!!) to
broker transfer.
Alex-and others,
I actually seem to suddenly be getting somewhere with ukreg. I've had a
reply (from sales not support) saying that if I can't do it all direct
with the previous designer "you will need to compelte a domain release
for so we can release this domain for them, this process will take 5
days to compelte and the forms can be obtained from
http://fasthosts.co.uk/domainrelease " Of course they do charge £20+VAT
for the priviledge and you do need headed paper etc but it may
work-though I asked further questions and have yet to have a reply.
I'll let people know how I do in case anyone's watching this for their
own info but if anyone else wants to chuck in info it's always
gratefully received. Thanks again-and fingers crossed.....
Paul
Alex Libby wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> You're welcome - glad I could be of some help!
>
> With regards to the contact - I hate to say this, as I know you will be
> facing a bit of a battle, but I have a sneaking suspicion that registrars
> will look to the admin contact for renewal purposes - in "private use"
> cases, this will be the registered owner (naturally!) - but may not be so
> for others, where web designers have registered names for clients. Take a
> look at
> https://products.secureserver.net/products/domain_transfers/transferinsider.
> pdf - this is the help guide published by GoDaddy.com, which confirms that
> they (at least) need to speak to the admin contact for the name; if this is
> not your client, then you really will have a fight on your hands.
>
> I have done a little more digging - http://www.icann.org/faq/#transfer
> suggests that if a registrant has a problem with transferring a domain, they
> can approach the gaining registrar (i.e. the registrar they want to move
> to), for assistance. That registrar is can seek help from ICANN or the
> losing registrar to enforce a transfer. I suspect evidence might be required
> to prove ownership outright (yep - I know your client owns the lease, but
> you know what big organisations are like!). It might also be worth pursuing
> the fact that if the designer is unwilling to assist in the release of the
> domain name, that they could be seen to be illegally blocking use of a
> domain name for legitmate use by your client, and that it is disrupting
> business / sales for your client. Again, you might have to provide evidence
> to this effect - would this be worth a try?
>
> Alex.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL REMOVED] [EMAIL REMOVED] On Behalf Of Paul
> Sent: 22 December 2006 12:13
> To: FN-FORUM / [EMAIL REMOVED]
> Subject: Re: FN-FORUM: Domain Renewal/Transfer
>
>
> Wow-thanks for all your help everyone. Right-this reply's gonna take a
> while.
>
> _Alex Libby_
> Thanks for all the great info and time
>
> I suggested .co.uk instead, pointing out it's relevance to her work and it
> being cheaper but she's got printed material with .com on so is not keen on
> that--but it may still be a possibility. As my clients had problems all
> along I believe the designer is trying to be difficult but I don't think
> they've initiated the clientTransferProhibited etc-I think that's just
> because it's in the last 90 days-though I may be wrong on both.
>
> She doesn't have access on the registrar account but she is named on whois
> as the registrant and under her address so shouldn't the registrar contact
> her regarding renewal? I have also contacted the original registrar for
> their help but am again awaiting a reply.
>
> I've not had any problems with 123-reg but point noted thank you.
>
> _Dominic Raywood_
>
> Thanks but unfortunately she trades under her personal name rather than the
> domain name so headed paper seems to be out (don't ask me why they're
> different)
>
> _Paul Lee_
>
> Sorry but I'm reticent to give out a domain name-it's always possible the
> previous designer also reads these and gets more obstructive. Re:
> .co.uk-see above-couldn't agree more but unfortunately the client doesn't
> see it that way.
>
> _Andrew Bibby_
>
> Great info thanks. Oh dear to the 60 days after expiring-that's very bad
> news! Thanks for the kind offer but I know the expiry from whois. I've
> contemplated making an offer for it on sedo and see where it goes to etc-but
> if it goes to the previous designer he may ask a huge price-and they charge
> something like $60 for it I think.
>
> _Steve Pineger_
>
> Aha-now that's interesting. As mentioned above I've contacted ukreg so
> perhaps I'll get a positive response-unless I just get shoved around depts!
>
> Phew-think that's everyone. Mixed advice but thank you so much everyone.
>
> Paul
>
> Dominic Raywood wrote:
>
>> I have a similar situation with a website I designed. The
>> organisation I did it for was government sponsored and the sponsorship
>> ran out at the end of October. So they are now defunct. I want to
>> keep the domain going and make it a sort of community website, as it
>> gets tons of visitors and has really good search engine placement.
>>
>> However, the domain was registered by the clients themselves and none
>> of the people know who did it and none know the account password! It
>> is with easily.co.uk and having contacted them, they say if the
>> clients send a request on headed paper, they will transfer it to me.
>> Sadly, this is taking a while and of course the headed paper will be
>> for an org that isn't in existence any more!
>>
>> Still, maybe you can get your client to write on headed paper to the
>> registrars and they may, like easily. be prepared to take that as
>> acceptable to change it?
>>
>> Paul wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Steven,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your reply. We don't have anything from the previous
>>> designer other than an email confirming that they have transferred it
>>> to her name-and a whois confirms it is in her name but I have no idea
>>> how we can renew it as it is in clientTransferProhibited &
>>> clientUpdateProhibited which I gather means you can't change anything.
>>>
>>> I was contemplating pre-reserving it but she is reluctant to pay as
>>> she is only a small business-how little I'm being paid reiterates
>>> that! I've contacted 123-reg to ask if they can help but am still
>>> waiting for a reply. Sorry but do you, or anyone else, know how much
>>> it costs and can you recommend anyone? If it's only a matter of
>>> £10-20's + domain fee I might be able to get her to agree.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> Steven Lavine wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> My client was given a .com domain and site a couple of years ago
>>>>> but has had problems with the host/designer and has zero traffic.
>>>>> She has decided to have the site redesigned and relaunched by
>>>>> myself which is all fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> The designer registered the domain in their own name and appears to
>>>>> be almost impossible to contact or get a response from. I have
>>>>> managed to get them to transfer it to her name, however by the time
>>>>> that was done it was in clientTransferProhibited &
>>>>> clientUpdateProhibited and is now within a month of expiry.
>>>>>
>>>>> When it expires we want to transfer it to a different domain
>>>>> registrar e.g. 123-reg on a new account of her own but my client
>>>>> hasn't had anything from the registrar about renewing the domain.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am nervous about what will happen when it expires-especially as
>>>>> I'll be away on holiday when it does so (doh-rubbish timing!)
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there anything I can do to ensure it all goes as smoothly as
>>>>> possible?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>
>>>> Does your client have any documents from their previous designer
>>>> that states the purchase of the domain on their behalf? If they do,
>>>> then they could contact the registrar and negotiate a transfer (not
>>>> sure about the legality of this though). Alternatively, you can
>>>> pre-reserve the domain name so that as soon as it expires, it will
>>>> be re-registered to your client. Most registrars offer this service
>>>> for .coms.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>
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