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Freelancers Forum Messages on Monday February 5th 2007

RE: FN-FORUM: Web designers v's Graphic designers

date posted 5th February 2007 23:45

Well well well, it was never my intention to spark such a lengthy and = passionate debate (especially on a Monday) about who is better etc, but = merely to hear if anyone else had had similar experien...

Re: FN-FORUM: Web designers v's Graphic designers

date posted 5th February 2007 23:30

Tim you really woke the office up on this lovely monday morning with this one! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Miller" [EMAIL REMOVED] To: [EMAIL REMOVED] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 1...

Re: FN-FORUM: Web designers v's Graphic designers

date posted 5th February 2007 23:26

I get the point, does everyone else, time for an end, to create a website that looks good and works good you need both a Graphic Designer and a Coder (Developer) one doesnt work without the other wh...

Re: FN-FORUM: Web designers v's Graphic designers

date posted 5th February 2007 22:58

Milosz A.Lodowski - New Media Designer wrote: > so where's the point ? > My sentiments exactly. > As Chris wrote before - not every website should look like the DOS panel..., > some of the users...

Re: FN-FORUM: Web designers v's Graphic designers

date posted 5th February 2007 22:56

Okey maybe I said it in a wrong way - sorry Best Wishes Milosz A. Lodowski Art Director IceAge Design Squadron Be our Ally, Hire our Guns...: www.iceagedesign.co.uk London Visit my PriveFolio: www.lo...

Re: FN-FORUM: Web designers v's Graphic designers

date posted 5th February 2007 22:43

Tom, you and I - so both of us know that google and my space - these are the some kind of internet activity, only a part of, so the design for the massive community sites is more than specific..., s...

Re: FN-FORUM: Web designers v's Graphic designers

date posted 5th February 2007 22:31

I am sure whoever came up with this forum had a vision to empower people, but from what I can see this forum is slowly drifting into a showcase for ego how can you say something like this "good desi...

Re: FN-FORUM: Web designers v's Graphic designers

date posted 5th February 2007 22:18

martin.wilk wrote: > Everyone is ripping into: > > "good designer is worth more than 10 coders" > > lol! > > But being naive isnt all that bad I show it in some of my Fine Art work and > it does me w...

Re: FN-FORUM: Web designers v's Graphic designers

date posted 5th February 2007 22:13

Chris Hill wrote: > What (predominantly) makes a site truly successful? frontend or backend? Well, when you say successful sites I instantly think of google and myspace. I don't think they look part...

Re: FN-FORUM: Web designers v's Graphic designers

date posted 5th February 2007 21:59

Everyone is ripping into: "good designer is worth more than 10 coders" lol! But being naive isnt all that bad I show it in some of my Fine Art work and it does me wonders! : ) Martin atdc -----...

Re: FN-FORUM: Web designers v's Graphic designers

date posted 5th February 2007 21:57

Chris - I'm agree in every point!!! Best Wishes Milosz A. Lodowski Art Director IceAge Design Squadron Be our Ally, Hire our Guns...: www.iceagedesign.co.uk London Visit my PriveFolio: www.lodowski.e...

Re: FN-FORUM: Web designers v's Graphic designers

date posted 5th February 2007 21:25

It depends on your perspective. To me the term 'web designer' doesn't just cover making pretty pictures, it covers making the site intuitive for users, making it flow and feel right - good user in...

Re: FN-FORUM: Web designers v's Graphic designers

date posted 5th February 2007 21:25

Better be naive but good enought ;-) Best Wishes Milosz A. Lodowski Art Director IceAge Design Squadron Be our Ally, Hire our Guns...: www.iceagedesign.co.uk London Visit my PriveFolio: www.lodowski....

Re: FN-FORUM: Web designers v's Graphic designers

date posted 5th February 2007 21:22

On Monday 05 February 2007 21:59, Tom Miller wrote: > Milosz A.Lodowski wrote: > > good designer is worth more than 10 coders > > > What an unbelievably naive statement!!! > > That's made my evening a...

RE: FN-FORUM: TCP/IP Properties

date posted 5th February 2007 21:20

> > Presumably the Web server is hosted in a data centre and you connect > > remotely using remote desktop, terminal services, VNC, etc. I suspect > > they're using NAT or UPnP equipment. The theory g...

Re: FN-FORUM: Web designers v's Graphic designers

date posted 5th February 2007 21:05

Milosz A.Lodowski wrote: good designer is worth more than 10 coders What an unbelievably naive statement!!! That's made my evening anyway :-D Milosz A.Lodowski - New Media Designer wrote: >>...

RE: FN-FORUM: Web designers v's Graphic designers

date posted 5th February 2007 21:00

So long as you just want it to "look pretty" then design is all that matters, but if you want a site to be "interactive" in any way then the designer needs to understand how a site is put together - w...

Re: FN-FORUM: Web designers v's Graphic designers

date posted 5th February 2007 20:34

> Milosz A.Lodowski wrote: >> good designer is worth more than 10 coders > > Market forces (i.e. salaries) don't seem to support that opinion, ??????? Best Wishes Milosz A. Lodowski Art Director Ic...

RE: FN-FORUM: Web designers v's Graphic designers

date posted 5th February 2007 19:11

Milosz A.Lodowski wrote: > good designer is worth more than 10 coders Market forces (i.e. salaries) don't seem to support that opinion, Karl...

Re: FN-FORUM: Web designers v's Graphic designers

date posted 5th February 2007 17:29

I think that's the problem. Web Designer has that "bedroom boy" feel about it. However this is where HCI (Human Computer Interface) people come into this. However with web development, this is usu...

Re: FN-FORUM: Web designers v's Graphic designers

date posted 5th February 2007 17:23

what about multi-media designers or do we not get a lookin ;) tbh coming from a graphic design background i never tend to use the term "web designer" to describe myself while its true i could be kno...

Re: FN-FORUM: Web designers v's Graphic designers

date posted 5th February 2007 17:05

Dichard Once again I can not agree - sorry to say that... > Three things strike me from the above quote. > > 1) "A good desinger is worth 10 coders." > 2) "Mechanical process of coding." > 3) "copy...

FN-FORUM: PNG transparency fix in IE crashes

date posted 5th February 2007 16:59

Hi, I am using the png transparency fix in IE which can be found here http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bobosola/index.htm however the script crashes when i refresh the page. The script will work fine f...

RE: FN-FORUM: Site doesn't appear in google

date posted 5th February 2007 16:55

Many thanks for the feedback...since I have been rather idle this afternoon, I shall have a go at blogger :) Gina...

Re: FN-FORUM: Site doesn't appear in google

date posted 5th February 2007 16:51

From my experience the way you please google is dependant a variety of things and also these seem to change week by week. For example a website I made spent a week on/around page 60 then thenext we...

Re: FN-FORUM: Site doesn't appear in google

date posted 5th February 2007 16:47

Ian M Robertson wrote: > On Monday 05 February 2007 17:05, Peter Sowerby wrote: >> takes a while for google to "spider" it and add it on can be 6 weeks > Can sometimes be faster if site(s) already in...

Re: FN-FORUM: Web designers v's Graphic designers

date posted 5th February 2007 16:44

On Monday 05 February 2007 17:28, Anthony Cartmell wrote: > > A "them and us" attitude should be a sackable offence! > > Agreed. The whole art vs. science thing is an arbitrary division (cf. Zen > and...

Re: FN-FORUM: Site doesn't appear in google

date posted 5th February 2007 16:42

From: [EMAIL REMOVED] > > Hi... > > A rather silly question and it has probably been discussed on this forum > before... > > We've finished a website, based on a Content Management System, submitted t...

Re: FN-FORUM: Web designers v's Graphic designers

date posted 5th February 2007 16:33

> A "them and us" attitude should be a sackable offence! Agreed. The whole art vs. science thing is an arbitrary division (cf. Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance), and more often than not ve...

RE: Re: FN-FORUM: scheduled tasks without the task scheduler (or CRON)

date posted 5th February 2007 16:28

Ah that'll be just the job (once its up again!) Cheers > >webcron.org (although website is down at the moment!) > >i'm using it, cron is still running, but the public website seems to be down >toda...

Re: FN-FORUM: Site doesn't appear in google

date posted 5th February 2007 16:25

On Monday 05 February 2007 17:05, Peter Sowerby wrote: > takes a while for google to "spider" it and add it on can be 6 weeks Can sometimes be faster if site(s) already in google link to it --- http:/...

Re: FN-FORUM: Bit quiet today, so I'll abuse the system

date posted 5th February 2007 16:23

> Swallows carrying coconuts is just silly. The power to weight ratio > would make it impossible - even under Linux. I am reliably informed that two swallows can carry a coconut suspended from...

Re: FN-FORUM: Site doesn't appear in google

date posted 5th February 2007 16:10

takes a while for google to "spider" it and add it on can be 6 weeks ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL REMOVED] To: [EMAIL REMOVED] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 4:49 PM Subject: FN-FORUM:...

Re: FN-FORUM: Site doesn't appear in google

date posted 5th February 2007 16:09

On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 04:48:39PM -0000, [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote: > > Hi... > > A rather silly question and it has probably been discussed on this forum > before... > > We've finished a website, bas...

Re: FN-FORUM: Bit quiet today, so I'll abuse the system / Blue Screen of death

date posted 5th February 2007 16:03

Peter Sowerby wrote: >> Must be a few years for me, and yes I'm still on PC. If I leave my PC on in a hot room, it will BSOD when it gets too hot. does that count?...

Re: FN-FORUM: scheduled tasks without the task scheduler (or CRON)

date posted 5th February 2007 16:03

webcron.org (although website is down at the moment!) i'm using it, cron is still running, but the public website seems to be down today, so you can't set up a schedule....

FN-FORUM: XSPF Music Player Problem

date posted 5th February 2007 16:02

Hi everyone Hi, I'm using the XSPF music player (http://musicplayer.sourceforge.net/) to integrate some music clips into a site I've designed (www.rivemusic.com). I'm glad to say it was pretty eas...

RE: FN-FORUM: Web designers v's Graphic designers

date posted 5th February 2007 15:57

One should always remember that the term "engineer" comes from the French word meaning to use one's ingenuity, and has nothing to do with "engines"! So a software "engineer" is just as creative as a g...

Re: FN-FORUM: scheduled tasks without the task scheduler (or CRON)

date posted 5th February 2007 15:56

[EMAIL REMOVED] wrote: > I've a site hosted with fasthosts which needs to run an ASP script > every day to alert users when their membership has expired and change > their account status in the DB acc...

RE: Re: FN-FORUM: Bit quiet today, so I'll abuse the system / Blue Screen of death

date posted 5th February 2007 15:53

about 30mins after I was upgraded to Vista at work... > >> I think That's Swallow's carrying coconuts!! >> A woodchuck would chuck more wood running linux. running Windows, it might >> work for the...

FN-FORUM: Site doesn't appear in google

date posted 5th February 2007 15:53

Hi... A rather silly question and it has probably been discussed on this forum before... We've finished a website, based on a Content Management System, submitted to google, verified by google, but...

Re: FN-FORUM: scheduled tasks without the task scheduler (or CRON)

date posted 5th February 2007 15:51

Seems a bit naff. Other than the obvious of "bye bye hosting company", a couple of ideas off the top of my head. 1. Can Fasthosts let you setup a script to run on receiving a file from somewhere i.e...

Re: FN-FORUM: Bit quiet today, so I'll abuse the system / Blue Screen of death

date posted 5th February 2007 15:50

windows 95 I think! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Irvine - Designition Ltd" [EMAIL REMOVED] To: [EMAIL REMOVED] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 4:37 PM Subject: Re: FN-FORUM: Bit quiet toda...

Re: FN-FORUM: scheduled tasks without the task scheduler (or CRON)

date posted 5th February 2007 15:43

On Monday 05 February 2007 16:23, [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote: > Other than visiting the page myself every day at one minute past midnight, > how could I create a psuedo-scheduled task system? If your home...

Re: FN-FORUM: Bit quiet today, so I'll abuse the system / Blue Screen of death

date posted 5th February 2007 15:42

> I think That's Swallow's carrying coconuts!! > A woodchuck would chuck more wood running linux. running Windows, it might > work for the first hour or so, then freeze with a blue screen of death :)...

RE: Re: FN-FORUM: Bit quiet today, so I'll abuse the system

date posted 5th February 2007 15:39

What about a distributed swallow system, using the power of other nearby swallows while they're idle? Obviously you could multi-thread the coconut to the distributed swallows to ease the load... >Sw...

RE: Re: FN-FORUM: Bit quiet today, so I'll abuse the system

date posted 5th February 2007 15:32

Oh no! What a blow to Open Source. Did you read the bit that says:- Attention: Woodchucks don't chuck unless you use Microsoft Internet Explorer as your browser.... Netscape scares them. -- Domi...

Re: FN-FORUM: Web designers v's Graphic designers

date posted 5th February 2007 15:30

I can't let this one pass. On Monday 05 February 2007 14:17, Milosz A.Lodowski - New Media Designer wrote: > That's the funniest joe I've ever seen ;) really..., good designer is worth > more than 1...

FN-FORUM: scheduled tasks without the task scheduler (or CRON)

date posted 5th February 2007 15:27

I've a site hosted with fasthosts which needs to run an ASP script every day to alert users when their membership has expired and change their account status in the DB accordingly. Usually it'd be a...

RE: FN-FORUM: Bit quiet today, so I'll abuse the system

date posted 5th February 2007 15:27

Next question would be, can a woodchuck build shrubberies? Regards Sam Morgan WiredEyes tel (Uk): +44 (0)20 7100 2178 tel (Italy): +39 070 773 6543 web : www.wiredeyes.com ---- umop ap!sdn w,! aw...

RE: FN-FORUM: Bit quiet today, so I'll abuse the system

date posted 5th February 2007 15:24

> -----Original Message----- > > Adam Reynolds wrote: > > > > African or European? > > > > Dominic Raywood wrote: > >> Just wondering (you can tell its quiet today) how much wood a > woodchuck > >> c...

Re: FN-FORUM: Bit quiet today, so I'll abuse the system

date posted 5th February 2007 15:23

So, you're saying that an Open Source Woodchuck running in a Linux environment would be more than a match for its Vista equivalent - assuming a similar hardware specification of course? Swallows carr...

RE: Re: FN-FORUM: Bit quiet today, so I'll abuse the system

date posted 5th February 2007 15:21

unsuprisingly someone has actually got a proper answer to that... http://www.getodd.com/stuf/stupid/woodchuck.html > >Just wondering (you can tell its quiet today) how much wood a woodchuck >can ch...

Re: FN-FORUM: Bit quiet today, so I'll abuse the system

date posted 5th February 2007 15:19

Good point and thanks to both Adam and you for bringing it up. I hadn't even thought about that. Let's assume a European Woodchuck. I can't imagine a Swallow chucking any wood at all. -- Dominic R...

Re: FN-FORUM: Bit quiet today, so I'll abuse the system

date posted 5th February 2007 15:15

Adam Reynolds wrote: > > African or European? > > Dominic Raywood wrote: >> Just wondering (you can tell its quiet today) how much wood a woodchuck >> can chuck, if indeed a woodchuck could chuck wood...

Re: FN-FORUM: Bit quiet today, so I'll abuse the system

date posted 5th February 2007 15:10

Dominic Raywood wrote: > Just wondering (you can tell its quiet today) how much wood a woodchuck > can chuck, if indeed a woodchuck could chuck wood (which incidentally, I'm > not totally convinced it...

Re: FN-FORUM: Bit quiet today, so I'll abuse the system

date posted 5th February 2007 15:07

African or European? Dominic Raywood wrote: > Just wondering (you can tell its quiet today) how much wood a woodchuck > can chuck, if indeed a woodchuck could chuck wood (which incidentally, I'm > no...

Re: FN-FORUM: Web designers v's Graphic designers

date posted 5th February 2007 15:06

In this world, isn't web designer an insult? I consider myself a software developer. However you need any graphics doing, go find yourself a Graphic Designer. I'm really hesitant about using the te...

Re: FN-FORUM: Bit quiet today, so I'll abuse the system

date posted 5th February 2007 14:55

Just wondering (you can tell its quiet today) how much wood a woodchuck can chuck, if indeed a woodchuck could chuck wood (which incidentally, I'm not totally convinced it can)? I've been told its 7....

Re: FN-FORUM: Web designers v's Graphic designers

date posted 5th February 2007 13:39

I agree its all about experience and to find out we have CV's and Portfolios. I would class myself as a good designer I have a lot of experience with graphic design and the tools need but also I wou...

Re: FN-FORUM: Web designers v's Graphic designers

date posted 5th February 2007 13:22

----- Original Message ----- From: "tim.mcmillen" [EMAIL REMOVED] To: [EMAIL REMOVED] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 1:45 PM Subject: FN-FORUM: Web designers v's Graphic designers Hello Tim I wish...

Re: FN-FORUM: Fee

date posted 5th February 2007 13:18

At 23:57 +0000 3/2/07, [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote: >I think I might have confused you. They would only pay if they sell the >business or they get someone else to take over the code. As long I support >the...

Re: FN-FORUM: Web designers v's Graphic designers

date posted 5th February 2007 13:10

At first I thought you were proposing a big fight behind the bike sheds I am sure you are correct - I would describe myself as a graphic designer - but I work in an industry where people do requi...

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date posted 5th February 2007 13:04

I am not available today, please contact me by telephone for important matters. Regards, Dan Jeffrey Web Developer / Designer London, SW2 design: [EMAIL REMOVED] events: [EMAIL REMOVED] priv: +44(...

Re: FN-FORUM: Web designers v's Graphic designers

date posted 5th February 2007 13:02

generally speaking I find graphic designers more creative and imaginative in there design than web only designers... sadly the web design industry (internet) is flooded with poor design in graphi...

Re: FN-FORUM: Blog sites

date posted 5th February 2007 12:57

Thomas wrote: > Mmmm, pretty easy to customise then by the looks of it, does that URL your > using for it just point at a blogger address? how does that side of it work? the post pages and images a...

FN-FORUM: Web designers v's Graphic designers

date posted 5th February 2007 12:50

Hi all, =20 Possibly a contentious thread for a Monday, but I am interested in hearing your thoughts / opinions on Graphic Designers pitching for/taking on web design and development work. =20 To kee...

Re: FN-FORUM: Blog sites

date posted 5th February 2007 12:42

Lorna, Personally i'd suggest Wordpress, I use it on my own blog and its super easy to customise and put your own templates in it and make it just how you want it. I've done it many times so you if h...

Re: FN-FORUM: Blog sites

date posted 5th February 2007 12:40

> my 15 minute mashup of blogger powered content and my design can be seen > here: > > http://www.boldfish.co.uk/blog/ > > a bit more work, with an extra menu or two and it would probably look > qui...

Re: FN-FORUM: Blog sites

date posted 5th February 2007 12:32

Quoting Lorna McArdle - Spinette Designs [EMAIL REMOVED] > > A client has asked me about doing a blog site for them. > > Is there an Open Source blog programme out there. > > Perhaps there's a good l...

Re: FN-FORUM: On the matter of flash - how best to start using it?

date posted 5th February 2007 12:29

You have to start, just do it ;) and just do that ;) ;))) that's all, everything depends on your state of mind and imagination - flash - that's only the technology, not the philosophy ;) Best Wishe...

Re: FN-FORUM: Blog sites

date posted 5th February 2007 12:22

Tony Crockford wrote: > > Thomas wrote: >>> use blogger and integrate it's output into your design for a really >>> easy solution or wordpress and install it on your server. >>> >>> both of which ar...

Re: FN-FORUM: On the matter of flash - how best to start using it?

date posted 5th February 2007 12:17

Dominic Raywood wrote: > Those of you using old and new, what is your feeling with respect to the > amount of Flash you incorporate into your sites as opposed to html/php and > css? > > I don't r...

RE: FN-FORUM: On the matter of flash - how best to start using it?

date posted 5th February 2007 12:16

Dont see Flash as a replacement for PHP/mySQL/css, its not. IMO flash is best used sparingly and only where really needed, there are somethings its ideal for but really very little where its 'essenti...

Re: FN-FORUM: On the matter of flash - how best to start using it?

date posted 5th February 2007 12:10

I would have a look at a range of tutorials available on lynda.com My flash skills are pretty rusty as I am still using flash mx, but even still I manage to do what I want, but I have downloaded...

Re: FN-FORUM: Blog sites

date posted 5th February 2007 12:07

From: "Thomas" [EMAIL REMOVED] > > > use blogger and integrate it's output into your design for a really easy > > solution or wordpress and install it on your server. > > > > both of which are free so...

Re: FN-FORUM: Blog sites

date posted 5th February 2007 12:00

Thomas wrote: >> use blogger and integrate it's output into your design for a really easy >> solution or wordpress and install it on your server. >> >> both of which are free solutions. >> >> links:...

FN-FORUM: On the matter of flash - how best to start using it?

date posted 5th February 2007 11:59

Hi Guys and Gals. Daniel's query has prompted me to ask you exponents of the art of Flash; what is the easiest, quickest (not quick and dirty though) and least expensive way to move into the world of...

Re: FN-FORUM: Fee

date posted 5th February 2007 11:58

From: "Andy Henderson" [EMAIL REMOVED] > Adam Reynolds wrote: > > To be honest I thought it worked the other way round. If they pay you > > to do the work, they own the code. You however can negotiate...

Re: FN-FORUM: Blog sites

date posted 5th February 2007 11:36

> use blogger and integrate it's output into your design for a really easy > solution or wordpress and install it on your server. > > both of which are free solutions. > > links: > http://www.blogger...

Re: FN-FORUM: Blog sites

date posted 5th February 2007 11:28

Lorna McArdle - Spinette Designs wrote: > A client has asked me about doing a blog site for them. > > Is there an Open Source blog programme out there. > > Perhaps there's a good low cost versions you...

RE: FN-FORUM: Blog sites

date posted 5th February 2007 11:28

Wordpress (wordpress.org), its free and brilliant. I think movabletype is also highly rated but not free. > >A client has asked me about doing a blog site for them. > >Is there an Open Source blog...

Re: FN-FORUM: Fee

date posted 5th February 2007 11:27

> If you are developing a bespoke piece of software for them that they are > paying for (i.e. your time), then usually the code belongs to them. It > has to. Nope. Unless your contract says other...

Re: FN-FORUM: Blog sites

date posted 5th February 2007 11:24

Lorna McArdle - Spinette Designs wrote: > A client has asked me about doing a blog site for them. > > Is there an Open Source blog programme out there. > > Perhaps there's a good low cost versions y...

RE: FN-FORUM: Fee

date posted 5th February 2007 11:20

Adam Reynolds wrote: > To be honest I thought it worked the other way round. If they pay you > to do the work, they own the code. You however can negotiate the use > of the code for selling on to othe...

FN-FORUM: Blog sites

date posted 5th February 2007 11:14

A client has asked me about doing a blog site for them. Is there an Open Source blog programme out there. Perhaps there's a good low cost versions you would recommend. (low cost meaning 100's pound...

Re: FN-FORUM: Fee

date posted 5th February 2007 11:06

Erm, To be honest I thought it worked the other way round. If they pay you to do the work, they own the code. You however can negotiate the use of the code for selling on to other clients. However...

RE: FN-FORUM: Macromedia flash professional 8

date posted 5th February 2007 10:37

Hi Daniel, If you forward the .fla to me I can open it in flash 8 and resave it as a M= X compatible .fla and return it to you. Do you know if you've used any 'fl= ash 8 only' actionscript? If you h...

RE: FN-FORUM: Macromedia flash professional 8

date posted 5th February 2007 10:33

If you are developing with flash, then is it not worth your while buying it? Personally, I wouldn't do something like that before I've got the ability to do anything I needed with it at any point in...

Re: FN-FORUM: Macromedia flash professional 8

date posted 5th February 2007 10:32

Somebody should recompile your material from version 8 into mx2004 or mx... Best Wishes Milosz A. Lodowski Art Director IceAge Design Squadron Be our Ally, Hire our Guns...: www.iceagedesign.co.uk Lo...

Re: FN-FORUM: Macromedia flash professional 8

date posted 5th February 2007 10:30

Unpack it on another box, and you 'MAY' start your trial period again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel McMullan" [EMAIL REMOVED] To: [EMAIL REMOVED] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 11:17...

FN-FORUM: Macromedia flash professional 8

date posted 5th February 2007 10:22

Hi all, i am in a bit of a predicament. I have designed some flash material for a site using Macromedia flash professional 8, which I download from macromedia own site. I=92m sure many of you know tha...



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