Re: FN-FORUM: PHP Programmer's done a runner

date posted 10th October 2007 12:06

RoR is just another language and framework. I doubt there's anything
that RoR can do that PHP can't do, looking at it practically, and I
gather RoR is complex to retro-fit into an existing process because of
the way it abstracts persistence.

PHP suffers from being a language that is slightly cobbled together,
and used in a haphazard way by unqualified people, but actually it's
very powerful and is in use by very large organisations in a
production environment, such as the BBC, the Open University and O2,
to name a few.

It all comes down to experience, and unfortunately, I suspect that
this forum attracts hobbyist developers looking to make a bit of money
on the side quite often, which is not what you want if you're looking
for someone to get the job done for you.

Personally, I reckon that the Zend qualification actually might have
some benefit for PHP developers, which is why I'm taking it myself.
Unlike the Sun Java certification, which I don't see as being quite as
useful to convince others of domain knowledge.

Mick

On 10 Oct 2007 11:31:15 -0000, Richard Fletcher [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
>
> Mike A wrote:
> > From: "Richard Fletcher" [EMAIL REMOVED]
> >> PuntersPower wrote:
> >>> This my friend parr for the course concerning PHP developers.
> >> I sir, for one, take offense at this.
> >
> > Unfortunately, there is support for Andrew's contention. I have noticed more
> > than a few PHP developer's who fail to communicate, abandon projects, are
> > slow and ineffective - unprofessional. Thankfully, professionals are
> > apparent by their attitude from the outset.
>
> I am surprised, as my experience differs somewhat. Programmers can be a
> fairly difficult group to communicate with generally. They probably got
> into programming because they were less comfortable around others at a
> younger age, and it continued. I've certainly met my fair share of
> arrogant programmers. But I've seen no difference amongst one language's
> adherents over any other.
>
> I think you hit the nail on the head when pointing out "attitude". Our
> job is not to make programs, our job is to make customers happy by
> making programs. (Or websites/designs/etc..)
>
> We are all of us in a service industry.
>
> > I wonder if this is a reason why too many large organisations go the .NET
> > route, even with all the problems that go with it.
>
> Perhaps. The phrase "Nobody every got fired for buying Microsoft"
> springs to mind as well.
>
> > I am rather hoping the rise of RoR will separate the PHP wheat from the
> > chaf.
>
> That's good thinking. I hadn't put the two together like that!
>
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